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Reply #20 - May 15th, 2018 at 5:21pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 2:09pm:
Isn't it ironic that the impetus for Independence and the American Revolution was to escape the tyrannical Taxes imposed by King George.

Government has once again gotten out-of-control.  The natives are getting restless.  Maybe time for the American Revolution 2.0?

I'm joking, of course.
Right, ha ha.

What it is necessary to do is put our governments back under control by legal and non violent means where possible. Smiley

Sure, Nancy Pelosi's security guards have instructions to kill on her command... but will they really do it? For her? Really?

It seems to be a requirement that you be anti-American these days... or some sort of National Socialist.

Luckily, almost nobody is either.

OK, I concede, 25-30% of people in America have always been anti-American, and tyrants around the world have always hated the idea of America.


  
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Reply #21 - May 15th, 2018 at 11:54pm
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Jeff wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 9:29am:
Do you have a point, or are you just trolling?

I assume you're on about some sort of "everything is owned in common, private property doesn't really exist" thing?


This is a thread about CEO's "stealing" workers' money, you imbecile.

I'm saying the workers never earned anything above the salaries those CEOs agreed to pay them, so that money is not theirs.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Stealing Workers' Money
Reply #22 - May 16th, 2018 at 8:37am
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SkyChief wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 5:12pm:
Billie, I'm a libertarian.  I cannot ever be convinced that Income Taxes are necessary - apportioned, or uniform, or neatly tied up with a fancy pink bow on top.

I oppose all forms of taxation, but concede that some taxes are necessary to sustain an essential government.  The government functioned just fine before income tax were made into law.

That says a lot.  Income taxes are what enabled the government to grow into the gigantic behemoth that it is today. It enabled corporate welfare, it enabled the Military to establish over 800 bases scattered across the globe for military intervention into foreign affairs.   It enabled reckless spending.

Many ills could be remedied by eliminating the Income Tax.

"The first step in restoring liberty is to restore the limitations on government" - SkyChief
I guess you are OK with anything except incomes being taxed? You don't even want to tax the incomes earned by big corporations? Not even if they are taxed uniformly with all incomes?

What started bringing in all the revenue was defining wages and salaries as "income" and thereby alleging that they could be legally taxed without apportionment because the form of the tax used was one that, because it taxed incomes, had always been considered to be Indirect.

That essentially moves a subject of taxation (wages) from a category where it obviously belongs (Direct taxes) to one where it obviously does not belong (Indirect taxes).

The substance and effect of a tax as it is enforced and collected is what determines whether the taxation of the chosen subject is Direct and must be apportioned, or Indirect and must be uniform.

Defining newborn infants as "something of value received by the taxpayer" (i.e. "income") would not make a tax laid on babies Indirect. It is not definitions that control, it is the actual substance and effect of the tax as it is levied.
  
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Re: Stealing Workers' Money
Reply #23 - May 16th, 2018 at 8:43am
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The Opposition wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 11:54pm:
This is a thread about CEO's "stealing" workers' money, you imbecile.

I'm saying the workers never earned anything above the salaries those CEOs agreed to pay them, so that money is not theirs.
Sorry, you just tossed that post in with no context and no indication of who you might be replying to, and I got confused.

I agree, working for a company doesn't give you a claim on anything except your agreed to wages or salary and benefits, if any.
  
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Reply #24 - May 17th, 2018 at 2:17am
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Jeff wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 8:43am:
Sorry, you just tossed that post in with no context and no indication of who you might be replying to, and I got confused.

I agree, working for a company doesn't give you a claim on anything except your agreed to wages or salary and benefits, if any.


Why do you clean up your act when I insult you? I do not want to insult you. Neither do I want to be insulted by you. Why can't we just be civil all the time?
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #25 - May 17th, 2018 at 8:08am
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The Opposition wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 2:17am:
Why do you clean up your act when I insult you? I do not want to insult you. Neither do I want to be insulted by you. Why can't we just be civil all the time?
Some degree of aggressive instinct is still present in almost everyone's lizard brain, that's why you called me a moron, even though you knew it was wrong to do so.

When you post things out of context with no reference to who you might be talking to, I might continue to say "What? Are you mad?"
  
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Reply #26 - May 17th, 2018 at 8:42am
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Reply #27 - May 17th, 2018 at 11:03pm
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Jeff wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 8:08am:
Some degree of aggressive instinct is still present in almost everyone's lizard brain, that's why you called me a moron, even though you knew it was wrong to do so.

When you post things out of context with no reference to who you might be talking to, I might continue to say "What? Are you mad?"


How about you just look at what I posted?

Just maybe you're at my throat constantly because my immense intellect makes it hard for anyone to understand me, and you in particular because you don't read what I write.

That, or you're a pure troll. I've changed my views on several occasions because of your adamant insistence that I was wrong, only to have you disagree later with your own perspective.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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