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Re: Why Statists Ridicule "thoughts and prayers."
Reply #130 - May 28th, 2018 at 11:09am
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Jeff wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 8:41am:
My point about the Bible is, it is more than just a few of the Laws of Moses, and taken as a whole, it can't be understood as a message from God to mankind to kill. Yes, you can find justifications to kill if you are looking for them, but modern civilized believers don't actually think God is telling them to kill, nor do they do it.

Billie, every day, people are killed in the name of god(s).  (somewhere)
  
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Re: Why Statists Ridicule "thoughts and prayers."
Reply #131 - May 28th, 2018 at 2:15pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 11:09am:
Billie, every day, people are killed in the name of god(s).  (somewhere) 
More people are killed everyday in the name of greed or revenge or political power, what Believers might say was in the name of Satan, or by people who refuse to Believe in God.

Humans, being human, have normal human failings and often try to justify them. Trying to stamp out religion and God did not make better people of the Soviets or their subject peoples.

Belief in God has made many people better, and it is something that seems to be part of human culture and always has been...

BTW, Islamic terrorists kill in the name of the political power they believe will come from the establishment of a Caliphate. They are not scholars of the Holy Books or of the history of Islam, they are political operatives being lied to by the High Priests of their religion.

  
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Reply #132 - May 28th, 2018 at 2:27pm
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Jeff wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 2:15pm:


It actually did to the extent that it was successful. But it would have taken a few more generations to rid the superstitious beliefs from the minds of the people completely.

Maybe the only way to get rid of religious superstitious beliefs in the US is to outlaw it completely.

Not likely, so people and science will continue to be held back by religion in the US.

The gap in the US due to religion is being filled by imports who haven't been stigmatized. So far at least.

Hitler's SS officers were largely responsible for getting the US space program going. The US doesn't make it's own.
  
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Reply #133 - May 28th, 2018 at 2:37pm
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Jeff wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 2:15pm:
BTW, Islamic terrorists kill in the name of the political power they believe will come from the establishment of a Caliphate. They are not scholars of the Holy Books or of the history of Islam, they are political operatives being lied to by the High Priests of their religion.



Your terrorists are other people's freedom fighters.

I think that most humans would be much more motivated to kill for revenge against an enemy that has slaughtered their loved ones. Their families, their wives, and their children.

Religious beliefs would only play a secondary role in that. Much the same way religion plays a secondary role in the minds of some American military people. To a lesser degree, they believe they're doing their evil in the name of their god.
  
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Re: Why Statists Ridicule "thoughts and prayers."
Reply #134 - May 28th, 2018 at 4:03pm
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It actually did to the extent that it was successful.
Your claim is that the Soviets who abandoned God became better people? On what evidence?

Didn't the Soviet Union institute terrorism as a "scientific" policy of the state?
  
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Reply #135 - May 28th, 2018 at 4:08pm
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Your terrorists are other people's freedom fighters.


People fighting for freedom fight the people who are oppressing them. That means the army of the government that is suppressing them, or the government that is directing the army.

Freedom fighters definitely do not make war on innocents by taking bombs onto airplanes and buses and into schools and restaurants and public places. Those are terrorist acts, and the people who perform them are terrorists by definition and not real smart.
  
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Re: Why Statists Ridicule "thoughts and prayers."
Reply #136 - May 29th, 2018 at 12:18am
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Yes, some of the brighter ones do. But Sickler has been programmed as a child and he can never free himself from religion.


See, you think this, because of how Billie acts, but if she really believed her religion, she would be stoning hookers to death.

Isn't it odd how the cherrypickers always seem to pick away from the horrible and toward the rational?

It's because they don't really believe their religion and deep down, they are rational.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Why Statists Ridicule "thoughts and prayers."
Reply #137 - May 29th, 2018 at 9:03am
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The Opposition wrote on May 29th, 2018 at 12:18am:
See, you think this, because of how Billie acts, but if she really believed her religion, she would be stoning hookers to death.

Isn't it odd how the cherrypickers always seem to pick away from the horrible and toward the rational?

It's because they don't really believe their religion and deep down, they are rational.
How many times must I tell you that I am not and never have been religious?

People do horrible things to each other for all sorts of reasons, you just like to cherrypick the evil done in the name of religion, and the reason you do that is obvious to me.
  
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Re: Why Statists Ridicule "thoughts and prayers."
Reply #138 - May 29th, 2018 at 12:58pm
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Jeff wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 4:03pm:
Your claim is that the Soviets who abandoned God became better people? On what evidence?

Didn't the Soviet Union institute terrorism as a "scientific" policy of the state?


In fact it was never the Soviet Union that was the aggressor at all. They reacted to the US threat. This ties in completely with my next post.
  
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Reply #139 - May 29th, 2018 at 1:03pm
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Jeff wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 4:08pm:
People fighting for freedom fight the people who are oppressing them. That means the army of the government that is suppressing them, or the government that is directing the army. [quote]

Quite wrong and easily proven to be wrong. The enemy is the enemy and the enemies civilian population becomes the legitimate target. WW2 is full of examples of such and the most egregious examples involve the US. The firebombing of Dresden is one of the worst. The bombing of London is another egregious example.

[quote]Freedom fighters definitely do not make war on innocents by taking bombs onto airplanes and buses and into schools and restaurants and public places. Those are terrorist acts, and the people who perform them are terrorists by definition and not real smart.


All of those are legitimate targets for freedom fighters that have a lesser capable military or no military. But also legitimate targets for countries with large and capable militaries.

Why would you try to say such things?
  
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