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Re: Active Shooter - The Video Game - Should It Be Banned?
Reply #30 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 6:41am
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 3rd, 2018 at 9:16pm:
The 9th Amendment states that there are other rights that may exist aside from the ones enumerated, and even though they are not listed, it does not mean they can be violated.

How would the 9th Amendment allow the ban of (certain) video games?
Congress would cite the commerce clause as giving them the right to regulate video games in the interest of the general welfare. You know all the specious arguments Chief. The general welfare is more important than a few people's claimed right to watch simulated violence etc. etc.

Unless the idea of enumerated powers is resurrected and it's made clear that the commerce clause and the general welfare clause are not grants of general power, the government will go right on regulating whatever it wants to based on political expedience and how much money can be generated for cronies.
  
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Reply #31 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 11:05am
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Jeff wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 6:41am:
Congress would cite the commerce clause as giving them the right to regulate video games in the interest of the general welfare...
... the government will go right on regulating whatever it wants to based on political expedience and how much money can be generated for cronies.

I salute your cynicism, sir.    Smiley    Smiley
  
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Reply #32 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:08pm
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Jeff still hasn't said whether it was right or wrong for the people who got lung cancer and claim it's from smoking, before there was a warning label, to collect damages from the cigarette companies.

He claims you can't "prove" smoking caused lung cancer in particular instances since those individuals all might have got lung cancer anyway.
  

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Re: Active Shooter - The Video Game - Should It Be Banned?
Reply #33 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:18pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 6:41am:
Congress would cite the commerce clause as giving them the right to regulate video games in the interest of the general welfare. You know all the specious arguments Chief. The general welfare is more important than a few people's claimed right to watch simulated violence etc. etc.

Unless the idea of enumerated powers is resurrected and it's made clear that the commerce clause and the general welfare clause are not grants of general power, the government will go right on regulating whatever it wants to based on political expedience and how much money can be generated for cronies.


Corrupted government makes rational governing for the benefit of the people impossible.

It can only get worse when half of Americans see the other half as their mortal enemies. And Trump thrives on causing the political divide to strengthen the hate.

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Re: Active Shooter - The Video Game - Should It Be Banned?
Reply #34 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:24pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:08pm:
Jeff still hasn't said whether it was right or wrong for the people who got lung cancer and claim it's from smoking, before there was a warning label, to collect damages from the cigarette companies.

He claims you can't "prove" smoking caused lung cancer in particular instances since those individuals all might have got lung cancer anyway.
That's true, there is correlation but not a provable connection. Some people smoke for 60 years and never get lung cancer, others get lung cancer when they've never smoked at all. It is true that smoking increases you chance of getting lung cancer, but, being a libertarian, I always think individual responsibility is a very big factor in anything.

It's been know for hundreds of years that smoking was bad for most people's health in many ways, and known since 1964  that there is a correlation between smoking and lung cancer.

Nicotine is highly addictive, but you can quit and there are ways to do it that don't just involve going cold turkey... But you have to want to quit. (Vaping nicotine would seem to be the easiest way to maintain your addiction while avoiding lung cancer.)

Even if you started smoking before 1964, why did you keep smoking? Why did you start?

If you started smoking after 1964, how did you possibly avoid learning that lung cancer might be the result?

Tobacco companies provide a product that people want. Like many products, it can be dangerous/harmful, especially if used carelessly or to excess.

Should companies that make rock and mountain climbing equipment be held liable if you get hurt or killed climbing rocks?

Individuals are responsible for their choices. I don't accept the "I didn't know cigarettes could be harmful" excuse. Certainly anyone growing up in the 20thCentury saw a family member or older friend coughing and hacking and wheezing from emphysema, or heard of some older person or family member who was a heavy smoker and died of lung cancer.
  
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Re: Active Shooter - The Video Game - Should It Be Banned?
Reply #35 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:28pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:18pm:
Corrupted government makes rational governing for the benefit of the people impossible.
Yes, and a bureaucratic regulatory government guarantees corruption and cronyism. That's why the founders of America created a Constitution that prohibits bureaucratic regulatory government.

You want the government to regulate everything, but can't seem to realize that the only way to do that is through bureaucracies that guarantee corruption.
  
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Re: Active Shooter - The Video Game - Should It Be Banned?
Reply #36 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:47pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:28pm:
Yes, and a bureaucratic regulatory government guarantees corruption and cronyism. That's why the founders of America created a Constitution that prohibits bureaucratic regulatory government.

You want the government to regulate everything, but can't seem to realize that the only way to do that is through bureaucracies that guarantee corruption.


I don't want government to regulate everything. But I don't think there's any possibility of trying to talk about some middle ground with you.

If you ever decided to make the effort I will be happy to join you.

Actually, you do want to because your replies to Ruby say that.

It's likely there's a barrier between us that will forever make any understanding impossible.
  
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Re: Active Shooter - The Video Game - Should It Be Banned?
Reply #37 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:59pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:47pm:
I don't want government to regulate everything.
I'm pleasantly surprised to hear you say that, but I distrust what you seem to be saying, and it's meaningless anyway.

Most likely is that you only want government to regulate things that are dangerous, or unfair, or might harm the 'environment' or result in 'inequality'.
  
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Re: Active Shooter - The Video Game - Should It Be Banned?
Reply #38 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 10:48pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
That's true, there is correlation but not a provable connection. Some people smoke for 60 years and never get lung cancer, others get lung cancer when they've never smoked at all. It is true that smoking increases you chance of getting lung cancer, but, being a libertarian, I always think individual responsibility is a very big factor in anything.

It's been know for hundreds of years that smoking was bad for most people's health in many ways, and known since 1964  that there is a correlation between smoking and lung cancer.

Nicotine is highly addictive, but you can quit and there are ways to do it that don't just involve going cold turkey... But you have to want to quit. (Vaping nicotine would seem to be the easiest way to maintain your addiction while avoiding lung cancer.)

Even if you started smoking before 1964, why did you keep smoking? Why did you start?

If you started smoking after 1964, how did you possibly avoid learning that lung cancer might be the result?

Tobacco companies provide a product that people want. Like many products, it can be dangerous/harmful, especially if used carelessly or to excess.

Should companies that make rock and mountain climbing equipment be held liable if you get hurt or killed climbing rocks?

Individuals are responsible for their choices. I don't accept the "I didn't know cigarettes could be harmful" excuse. Certainly anyone growing up in the 20thCentury saw a family member or older friend coughing and hacking and wheezing from emphysema, or heard of some older person or family member who was a heavy smoker and died of lung cancer.


All that to avoid giving a straight answer.

Before the warning label, or let's say before the very first people who should have known, by whatever standards you have...

Should the cigarette companies owe damages?

Jeff wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:28pm:
Yes, and a bureaucratic regulatory government guarantees corruption and cronyism. That's why the founders of America created a Constitution that prohibits bureaucratic regulatory government.


They provably did not.
  

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Re: Active Shooter - The Video Game - Should It Be Banned?
Reply #39 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 8:01am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 10:48pm:
All that to avoid giving a straight answer.

Before the warning label, or let's say before the very first people who should have known, by whatever standards you have...

Should the cigarette companies owe damages?


No. Why do you think they should?

People smoked tobacco before tobacco companies existed. Not long after Europeans started importing tobacco, it was noted that it caused health problems.

Tobacco companies were created to fill a demand, which is what they still do.

People make choices.

If you choose to eat two dozen large chocolate chip cookies every day, because you ate a chocolate chip cookie when you were young and really liked it, and you got addicted to the cookies and the sugar and the chocolate, and you became obese and got diabetes because while you were eating all those cookies, you never exercised, should someone "owe you damages"?
  
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