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Re: Google Lists California Repubs as Nazis.
Reply #30 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:50pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:10pm:
Of course our government belongs to us too... How would you fund it?

Taxes and tarrifs - the same way the gov't was funded BEFORE income taxes.

Jeff wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:10pm:
Lot's of states apply a sales tax, which sends our money to the government.

Local governments levy property taxes, which means property owners give some of their money to government.

I don't like Property Tax, but I concede they are necessary to fund local government, road maintenance, signage, fire dept., police dept, parks, libraries, etc.

I normally wouldn't grumble about Property Tax, but in California, it's WAY higher than the national average.

This will be remedied when California splits.  Property taxes should drop considerably for the two spin-off states. Northern California will likely keep their excessive tax policies.

Jeff wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:10pm:
I suppose you want a for profit government that charges for it's services and is run like a business on behalf of the business owners, who in the case of a for profit government would be the government?

Nah,, I just want to scale government back to manageable level.  Our state and federal governments are gargantuan  - they both need to be downsized.

The most effective way of downsizing government is to reduce its funding. 
  
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Reply #31 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 5:15pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:50pm:
Taxes and tarrifs...
Tariffs are taxes.

They have always been held to fall in the Constitutional class of Indirect taxes.

As such, they are required to be uniform.



Taxes on incomes are taxes too, and as long as they act Indirectly, they are also required to be uniform...

Is a progressive tax uniform?

Not really, it can't be. The very fundamental basis of a uniform tax is that it not be progressive, and the basis of progressive taxation is that it isn't uniform.
  
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Reply #32 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 5:17pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 2:50pm:
I normally wouldn't grumble about Property Tax, but in California, it's WAY higher than the national average.

Of course, and it's justified by all the good things Kalifornia governments have decided to do.

Edit: Golly Chief, it's really very very expensive to institute a "good socialist system"...

But you have to take the long view. It's worth it because a world full of good communists will be the result. Smiley

Have you ever lived for long at all among communists?

You really want the whole world to be that way?

Edit: Sorry, of course you don't.
  
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Reply #33 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 5:48pm
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Silly, silly Oppo. It's like you're saying that Charles Manson was a good guy. Maybe he was patriotic and loved his country, etc. bullshit, but was he a good guy?

Murderers of people in other countries in illegitimate wars can't be good guys Oppo.


"They aren't good" ≠ "There's nothing admirable about them"

People can have good qualities without being perfectly good moral paragons like you and Billie. People can be selfless, brave, noble, loyal murderers.

If they're giving their lives for someone else, you pretending that doesn't count is a disservice to everyone besides the paragons, and more likely to make people give up than try harder.

When people pay respect to veterans, they're respecting the self-sacrifice and the loyalty.

I would be very happy in a world of all veterans. People like these may be brutal, but they're also honourable. This would be an amazing world, with people respecting and defending each other at record levels. Very few, if any, would cheat to get ahead.

You're a textbook example of letting the perfect be the enemy of the acceptable.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #34 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 5:52pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 5:48pm:
"They aren't good" ≠ "There's nothing admirable about them"

I've known people like that too!

It seems they have always been among us. Cry

Mostly we should imprison them or execute them, whichever seems more sensible.
  
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Reply #35 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 5:55pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 5:48pm:
You're a textbook example of letting the perfect be the enemy of the acceptable.
Civilized people close it up quite a bit lizard, usually contrasting the 'perfect' with the good, or, the best we can do now with what we know now.

None of your crap is even minimally  acceptable.
  
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Reply #36 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 10:37pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 5:17pm:
Have you ever lived for long at all among communists?

Sort of.   Back in 1992 I went on an "extended" vacation with some other liberal-minded cohorts. (notice i didn't say libertarians, because none of us really were at the time.)  We all had dirt bikes, guns, ammo,  and a week's worth of water, booze, and provisions.

The first week went perfectly..,, 

Then we ran out of food. Then water.  Then booze... That's when things went south really fast.

“The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”  - Margaret Thatcher
  
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Reply #37 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 11:57pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 10:37pm:
Sort of.   Back in 1992 I went on an "extended" vacation with some other liberal-minded cohorts. (notice i didn't say libertarians, because none of us really were at the time.)  We all had dirt bikes, guns, ammo,  and a week's worth of water, booze, and provisions.

The first week went perfectly..,, 

Then we ran out of food. Then water.  Then booze... That's when things went south really fast.



So now you were a communist! Is this story as truthful as the strata council story you made up too?

Did you shoot any school kids with your guns?
  
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Reply #38 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 12:18am
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So now you were a communist!


Yes, I was. For 12 days,, anyway.  It was awful.  It's why I became (a) libertarian!   Smiley
  
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Reply #39 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 12:31am
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 3rd, 2018 at 12:18am:
Yes, I was. For 12 days,, anyway.  It was awful.  It's why I became (a) libertarian!   Smiley


No chief, that's not true but it's a hint on something going wrong in your life. Here's what happened:

Something went wrong in your life
You turned anti-establishment.
You became a communist as your method of protest.
Then you became a libertarian.

Now you're on your way back to being a Republican because that party under Trump is anti-establishment enough for you.

~the big dong.
  
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