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War Powers Act Doesn't Work
Jun 2nd, 2018 at 3:39pm
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The War Powers Resolution (aka War Powers Act)  is a federal law intended to check the president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of the U.S. Congress.

It was passed in 1973 to prevent further debacles like the Korean War and the Viet Nam Wars.  Nixon vetoed it because he felt it was an imposition on his discretion as Commander-In-Chief.

But Congress overrode Nixon's Veto and passed it anyway.

Since then, Presidents have mostly ignored the War Powers Act.  In 1998, Bill Clinton sustained a bombing campaign in Kosovo well beyond the 60-day time limit cited in the law. 

In 2014, Obama illegally ordered military action in Libya without Congress authorization.

How could they get away with this?  (besides the fact that they are democrats, who are usually held to much lower standard than republicans.)

Who should we call upon to enforce the War Powers Act? 

Can we impeach a defective president who violates the War Powers Act?
  
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Re: War Powers Act Doesn't Work
Reply #1 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 5:24pm
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It was intended to give Presidents power to involve America in wars without involving Congress.

That is exactly how it has "worked", just as it was intended to work.

Who thinks it is was a good idea raise your hands.
  
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Re: War Powers Act Doesn't Work
Reply #2 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 10:13pm
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The War Powers Act was an attempt by congress to enforce the Constitution's separation of the power to decide to go to war and the power to command the military.  Of course the problem is that if a president doesn't respect the Constitution, why would he respect an "act?"

Nixon was by no means the first president to fight an undeclared war.  George Washington rode out at the head of an army to enforce an unconstitutional tax so that the powers of the stronger central government would be increased. 

Nothing that happened after that should surprise any real libertaraian.
  

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Reply #3 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 10:50pm
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The War Powers Act works the same way all laws that restrain power work.

They don't.
  

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Reply #4 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 12:32am
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SnarkySack wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 10:13pm:
The War Powers Act was an attempt by congress to enforce the Constitution's separation of the power to decide to go to war and the power to command the military. 
Nixon was by no means the first president to fight an undeclared war.  George Washington rode out at the head of an army to enforce an unconstitutional tax so that the powers of the stronger central government would be increased. 

Right, but the War Powers Act was not established until 1973.  All wars/military intervention prior to that were NOT un-constitutional.

We're discussing wars declared after the War Powers Act was established.
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 12:36am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 10:50pm:
The War Powers Act works the same way all laws that restrain power work.

They don't.


You can't judge that by the US track record because it's completely corrupt. Remember why you are pretending to be a libertarian. Or a Vulcan, or whatever?

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Reply #6 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 1:29am
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You can't judge that by the US track record because it's completely corrupt.


You're proving my point that the laws don't stand in the way of corruption.
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 6:52am
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SnarkySack wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 10:13pm:
George Washington rode out at the head of an army to enforce an unconstitutional tax so that the powers of the stronger central government would be increased. 
Please tell me again why you think that tax was unconstitutional. Thanks.

It applied to all distilled spirits and was intended to raise revenue to pay the debts from the Revolutionary War.
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 6:59am
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 3rd, 2018 at 12:32am:
Right, but the War Powers Act was not established until 1973.  All wars/military intervention prior to that were NOT un-constitutional.

We're discussing wars declared after the War Powers Act was established.
There hasn't been a declared war since WWII Chief.

The War Powers Resolution gives Presidents the authority to commit U.S. forces to war and two days leeway before they have to tell Congress they did it. Congress has reserved the power to stop wars that Presidents have been granted authority to start, but they haven't been willing to stop any...

It's certainly arguable that the Mexican War was unconstitutional. The Spanish American War too... And WWI.

I'm basing that on the idea that the Constitution authorizes Congress to declare war only in defense of the U.S.
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 7:02am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 3rd, 2018 at 1:29am:
You're proving my point that the laws don't stand in the way of corruption.
Laws don't stand in the way of common theft either lizard. Unless you get caught and prosecuted anyway.
  
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