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Reply #20 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 3:38pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Jun 3rd, 2018 at 1:57pm:
I agree that Bernie is used up. It's going to take a new 'socialist' like him.
Yes, repackaging of the same old ideas Bernie adopted when he was young.

A Socialist like Bernie is still a Socialist like Bernie, no matter Xer age or color or ethnicity or gender.

What count's are the ideas, and Bernie's ideas were old when Stalin was in power.
  
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Reply #21 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 11:01am
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Jeff wrote on Jun 3rd, 2018 at 6:52am:
Please tell me again why you think that tax was unconstitutional. Thanks.


Since you admit that I already told you, I’ll ask you to state the number of times I have to repeat it for you to acknowledge that you understand my reason whether you agree with it or not.  Otherwise, you will just endlessly ask me to repeat the same thing instead of coming up with a valid refutation.

Thanks.

EDIT:  Keep in mind that you could always reread what I already explained instead of asking me to retype it. 

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It applied to all distilled spirits and was intended to raise revenue to pay the debts from the Revolutionary War.


If the American people wanted to pay the debts from the Revolutionary war, they would have simply given the government the money.  Americans are noted for voluntary contributions to worthy causes. Failing that, there were several alternatives available to the Washington administration short of riding out with proto-storm troopers to take money from supposedly free men at gun point. 

Ask me for my top two!  (ways American Revolution debt to other nations could have been satisfied without the use of violence against American citizens).
  

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Reply #22 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:26pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 3rd, 2018 at 3:38pm:
Yes, repackaging of the same old ideas Bernie adopted when he was young.

A Socialist like Bernie is still a Socialist like Bernie, no matter Xer age or color or ethnicity or gender.

What count's are the ideas, and Bernie's ideas were old when Stalin was in power.


With you Craig it's always a choice between US style fascism/extreme right/Nazism or Communism.

In fairness to you, it's become the American talking point. They can't see any moderated approach to something in the middle.

I'm not going to be able to change that, but at least I can lead you by the nose into understanding eventually.

Take your time, it's only you ordinary Americans who are getting screwed!

We in the happiest countries in the world can use your example for what we must never allow to happen.

Universal health care is a great example of just one lack of success that's holding the US back.
  
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Reply #23 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:32pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 11:01am:
Since you admit that I already told you, I’ll ask you to state the number of times I have to repeat it for you to acknowledge that you understand my reason whether you agree with it or not.  Otherwise, you will just endlessly ask me to repeat the same thing instead of coming up with a valid refutation.

Thanks.

EDIT:  Keep in mind that you could always reread what I already explained instead of asking me to retype it. 

Could you link to it? All I can remember is you saying it was a discriminatory tax because it fell on only those farmers West of the Appalachians that were making whiskey, and that it's purpose was to grow the federal government.

That's not true. Can I assume you agree with the truth, that it applied to distilled spirits nationally and was levied to pay the Revolutionary War debt? Nothing about that is unconstitutional.
  
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Reply #24 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:35pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 11:01am:
If the American people wanted to pay the debts from the Revolutionary war, they would have simply given the government the money. 
Ha ha.

I thought you claimed to know something about how people's minds work? How about, in general, "I'm not giving money to the government unless everybody else does too, and they should give first!"

Or, "Why should I give when those rich people across town haven't given?"

Maybe, "I'd be happy to give, but I need a new car and can't."
  
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Reply #25 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:40pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:26pm:
With you Craig it's always a choice between US style fascism/extreme right/Nazism or Communism.


No no Dong, I prefer limited government that protects individual Rights and individual Liberty and treats everyone equally under the laws.

That's one end of the choice spectrum.

The other end is collectivism that treats individuals as cogs in the great machine of "society" and requires a powerful (and huge) authoritarian bureaucracy to enforce all it's "socially responsible rules.
  
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Reply #26 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:59pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:40pm:
No no Dong, I prefer limited government that protects individual Rights and individual Liberty and treats everyone equally under the laws.



That's what I prefer too Craig. We should talk about what that means some day.
  
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Reply #27 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 4:14pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:59pm:
That's what I prefer too Craig. We should talk about what that means some day.
I talk about it all the time Dong, you won't even tell me what you mean by "socially responsible government".
  
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Reply #28 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 10:02am
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Jeff wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:35pm:
Ha ha.

I thought you claimed to know something about how people's minds work? How about, in general, "I'm not giving money to the government unless everybody else does too, and they should give first!"


Right.  That's why small local charities, large national and world charities, the United Way, churches and other such organizations all have to use guns to get people to give money.  Because no one wants to be the first to donate. 

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Or, "Why should I give when those rich people across town haven't given?"

Maybe, "I'd be happy to give, but I need a new car and can't."


Yes, that's why you never see the Salvation Army asking for donations, why Toys for Tots had to resort to having their Marines rob banks and why we never see panhandlers anymore.  They all realized that the human mind does not allow people to donate money for a good cause.

Ask me for my top two ways the Revolutionary War debt could have been satisfied without GW pointing guns at people to take their money! 

Or you could probably think of many more ways, since you are way smarter than I.  All you gotta do is start with the premise that - no matter what - the government doesn't get to point guns at citizens just  because it wants their money.  Once you internalize that concept, it becomes very easy to think of ways to fund the government.

  

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Reply #29 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 12:36pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:40pm:
No no Dong, I prefer limited government that protects individual Rights and individual Liberty and treats everyone equally under the laws.



I have nothing to disagree with in that. If that's a description of libertarian principles then I'm a libertarian.

But I fear you will now start to add your qualifications and bastardize the whole statement.

For example: You likely believe that equal treatment would be taxing a poor family $10,000 a year and taxing a billionaire the same.

Or you might even say that taxing anybody is theft at the point of a gun.
That's when it's 'you' that moves to the other end of the spectrum.
  
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