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SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of The Baker!
Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:13pm
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Jack Phillips, a baker in Colorado was granted reprieve by the Supreme Court today.   Phillips refused to bake a gay wedding cake on the grounds that it conflicted with his spiritual beliefs.

Colorado Civil Rights Commission went after Phillips. They argued that he should be forced to bake the cake on the grounds that Phillips was discriminating against a (gay) couple because of their sexual preferences.

SCOTUS didn't agree.

A small victory for liberty.

Steve Vladeck, CNN SCOTUS analyst said:

"It's hard to see the decision setting a precedent."

Sorry Steve. It's sets a HUGE precedent.   This toothpaste ain't going back in the tube.   Grin
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:34pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:13pm:
Jack Phillips, a baker in Colorado was granted reprieve by the Supreme Court today.   Phillips refused to bake a gay wedding cake on the grounds that it conflicted with his spiritual beliefs.

Colorado Civil Rights Commission went after Phillips. They argued he should be forced to bake the cake on the grounds that Phillips was discriminating against a (gay) couple because of their sexual preferences.

SCOTUS didn't agree.

A small victory for liberty.

Steve Vladeck, CNN SCOTUS analyst said:

"It's hard to see the decision setting a precedent."

Sorry Steve. It's a HUGE precedent.   This toothpaste ain't going back in the tube.   Grin


Just read it this morning on Huffpost and was going to post the story but you beat me to it.

It's a qualified decision but that won't be of any interest to people on this forum.

This is another example of an issue that should have never made it to the courts, being elevated to the scotus. This is how Americans always need to promote hate amongst themselves when other countries can let sleeping dogs lie and the issues become sorted out by themselves.

And it's it illustrative of you kind of Americans Chief. Celebrating the trampling of gay rights.

This is what makes libertarians tick! Celebrate rights for themselves that exist only in their own heads, while also celebrating the stomping of the rights of the hundreds of thousands.

Other modern first world countries won't pay much notice. Some third world countries will feel some energy coming from this decision and be encouraged to continue to execute gays.
  
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Re: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of The Baker!
Reply #2 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 8:04pm
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Other modern first world countries won't pay much notice. Some third world countries will feel some energy coming from this decision and be encouraged to continue to execute gays.

You're suggesting that the SCotUS ruling in the Colorado wedding-cake case will result in the execution of gays in 3rd-world countries?

Seriously?  (It's hard to tell on the internet if someone is being serious or just tongue-in-cheek.)
  
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:13pm:
Jack Phillips, a baker in Colorado was granted reprieve by the Supreme Court today.   Phillips refused to bake a gay wedding cake on the grounds that it conflicted with his spiritual beliefs.

Colorado Civil Rights Commission went after Phillips. They argued that he should be forced to bake the cake on the grounds that Phillips was discriminating against a (gay) couple because of their sexual preferences.

SCOTUS didn't agree.

A small victory for liberty.

Steve Vladeck, CNN SCOTUS analyst said:

"It's hard to see the decision setting a precedent."

Sorry Steve. It's sets a HUGE precedent.   This toothpaste ain't going back in the tube.   Grin


A very small victory.

He proved that he had held his religious scruples against gay marriage for years. 

The liberarian solution is that he has the right to do as he pleases regardless of his reason.  If a guy just "doesn't like gays," he shouldn't have to bake a cake for a gay wedding . . . if we believe in freedom, that is.




  

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And it's it illustrative of you kind of Americans Chief. Celebrating the trampling of gay rights.

This is what makes libertarians tick! Celebrate rights for themselves that exist only in their own heads, while also celebrating the stomping of the rights of the hundreds of thousands.


This is what makes Leftists like you tick, too. Unless you also think Jewish bakers should be forced to bake Nazi cakes, you objectively believe different people should have different rights.

Gay people should have a right to the cake of their choice, but not Nazis, of course. Why would anyone imagine that Nazis had the same rights as gays?
  

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The Opposition wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 10:27pm:
This is what makes Leftists like you tick, too. Unless you also think Jewish bakers should be forced to bake Nazi cakes, you objectively believe different people should have different rights.

Gay people should have a right to the cake of their choice, but not Nazis, of course. Why would anyone imagine that Nazis had the same rights as gays?


Discrimination against Nazis and religious freaks is justified Chief. Gays should be treated as our equals.

Religious freaks are child abusers and they shouldn't be tolerated in a modern society. Starting with the pope the should be jailed for the hurt they've done to children.

You yourself as a Vulcan have been guilty of the same.
  
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SnarkySack wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
The liberarian solution is that he has the right to do as he pleases regardless of his reason. 

exactly.   Let the free market sort it out.   

SCotUS ruled in favor of Phillips (the baker) because the Colorado Civil Rights Commission aggressively pursued him and violated 1st Amendment Rights.

S.C. Justice Anthony Kennedy:

"The [Colorado Civil Rights Commission] hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion."
  
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Discrimination against Nazis and religious freaks is justified Chief. Gays should be treated as our equals.


Gays are good, and Nazis are bad, so gays have the right not to be discriminated against... but Nazis do not.

Case in point. You're making a value judgement before you assign rights, and basing the rights on the value judgement.

...Which is great if everyone agrees on the value judgment.

The thing equality does is sets a fair compromise when not everyone agrees on who should have the most rights and who should have the least.

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You yourself as a Vulcan have been guilty of the same.


...What?
  

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Re: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of The Baker!
Reply #8 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 8:56am
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:13pm:
Jack Phillips, a baker in Colorado was granted reprieve by the Supreme Court today.   Phillips refused to bake a gay wedding cake on the grounds that it conflicted with his spiritual beliefs.

Colorado Civil Rights Commission went after Phillips. They argued that he should be forced to bake the cake on the grounds that Phillips was discriminating against a (gay) couple because of their sexual preferences.

SCOTUS didn't agree.

A small victory for liberty.

Steve Vladeck, CNN SCOTUS analyst said:

"It's hard to see the decision setting a precedent."

Sorry Steve. It's sets a HUGE precedent.   This toothpaste ain't going back in the tube.   Grin


I agree that it is a small victory.  Unfortunately, the wording of the ruling has nothing to do the natural right of every human being to choose with whom to associate and do business.  The court cited the baker's long-standing Christian beliefs and the fact that he claimed to have founded his bake shop as part of his service to Christ.  If I were to refuse such service but for reasons other than religion, my rights would be subordinated to the gaylord's desire to enslave me.  Therefore this amounts to a granting of a privilege based on religion rather than a protection of liberty.

It is disconcerting that the court would analyze how devout a citizen is as part of deciding whether he has a particular freedom. 
  

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Re: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of The Baker!
Reply #9 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 9:26am
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SnarkySack wrote on Jun 5th, 2018 at 8:56am:
I agree that it is a small victory.  Unfortunately, the wording of the ruling has nothing to do the natural right of every human being to choose with whom to associate and do business.  The court cited the baker's long-standing Christian beliefs and the fact that he claimed to have founded his bake shop as part of his service to Christ.  If I were to refuse such service but for reasons other than religion, my rights would be subordinated to the gaylord's desire to enslave me.  Therefore this amounts to a granting of a privilege based on religion rather than a protection of liberty.

It is disconcerting that the court would analyze how devout a citizen is as part of deciding whether he has a particular freedom. 
Actually the Court held that the State Commission had discriminated against the baker because of his religion. They said that government can't practice religious discrimination and invalidated the State's punishment of the baker because of that.

Not one of the Court's finest opinions. Everybody claims to have won. Issues of freedom of conscience and freedom of association will be addressed in some future case... In the meantime, businesses will be forced to provide services to anyone who demands them, and gay couples demanding that Christians say whatever the gay couple demands they say on a product like a personalized cake will continue to look like spoiled demanding children.

My solution? Try another bakery or buy a blank cake and get an artistically talented friend to add whatever message you want.
  
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