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Re: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of The Baker!
Reply #10 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 9:51am
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Jeff wrote on Jun 5th, 2018 at 9:26am:
Actually the Court held that the State Commission had discriminated against the baker because of his religion. They said that government can't practice religious discrimination and invalidated the State's punishment of the baker because of that.

Not one of the Court's finest opinions. Everybody claims to have won. Issues of freedom of conscience and freedom of association will be addressed in some future case... In the meantime, businesses will be forced to provide services to anyone who demands them, and gay couples demanding that Christians say whatever the gay couple demands they say on a product like a personalized cake will continue to look like spoiled demanding children.

My solution? Try another bakery or buy a blank cake and get an artistically talented friend to add whatever message you want.


Exactly.  It's absurd for gay people to claim that they had no idea of who else could have baked them a fabulous cake for their wedding.   This is pure power gaming.  They specifically targeted a baker who disapproved of their lifestyle to teach him a lesson.  The fact that they were able to use the power of government to do that is yet another argument against statism.

  

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Reply #11 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 11:27am
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The only thing you two can agree on is promoting hate!

The Chief thinks it's a victory against gays but it's really another instance of everybody losing.

At least when Americans are busy trying to harm each other they aren't harming decent people in other countries.
  
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Re: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of The Baker!
Reply #12 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 11:38am
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Jeff wrote on Jun 5th, 2018 at 9:26am:
Not one of the Court's finest opinions. Everybody claims to have won. Issues of freedom of conscience and freedom of association will be addressed in some future case...

I think freedom of association won in this case.  The baker associates with a religion that says homosexuality is a sin

So he cannot be compelled by the State to go against his religious dogma. 

An atheist probably wouldn't be granted the liberty to discriminate against gays because atheists don't believe that homosexuality is a sin (transgression against god).
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 11:52am
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 5th, 2018 at 11:38am:
I think freedom of association won in this case.  The baker associates with a religion that says homosexuality is a sin

So he cannot be compelled by the State to go against his religious dogma. 

An atheist probably wouldn't be granted the liberty to discriminate against gays because atheists don't believe that homosexuality is a sin (transgression against god).


Yes, the state has erred again by upholding religious dogma. The government in power demands it.

A more progressive government may have defeated religious dogma.

You've described the reason for the decision very well. Did you mean to say something else?
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 12:56pm
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You've described the reason for the decision very well.

Thanks.   

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Did you mean to say something else?


No.  I would only add that i'ts unfortunate that the case even had to be reviewed by SCotUS. 

It's hard to imagine that this case couldn't have been resolved in the local Courts.
  
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Reply #15 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 1:52pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 5th, 2018 at 12:56pm:
Thanks.   


No.  I would only add that i'ts unfortunate that the case even had to be reviewed by SCotUS. 

It's hard to imagine that this case couldn't have been resolved in the local Courts.


Sorry Chief but with me all your credibility in anything you say hinges on you substantiating your claims of building 7 being a government inside job.

Libertarianism itself as expressed on this forum stands on your strength now. Please substantiate your claims of a government conspiracy.

In fairness to you, your belief that government was responsible is more than enough reason to hate your government. If they could do that then they could do anything else at the point of a gun. Including collecting income tax!
  
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Re: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of The Baker!
Reply #16 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 3:49pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 5th, 2018 at 11:38am:
I think freedom of association won in this case.  The baker associates with a religion that says homosexuality is a sin

So he cannot be compelled by the State to go against his religious dogma. 

That's not what the Court said. They said he can't be punished under a particular statute just because the State doesn't like Christians. He can still be punished for refusing to serve gays, just so long as the State doesn't take his religion into account.
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 4:35pm
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Sorry Chief but with me all your credibility in anything you say hinges on you substantiating your claims of building 7 being a government inside job.

How is the demolition of Bldg 7 relevant to this discussion? 

Where's the connection of what happened at the WTC on September 11th 2001 and Jack Phillips refusing to bake a gay wedding cake in 2012?

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Please substantiate your claims of a government conspiracy.

I never said anything about a "government conspiracy".  I made no such claim. 

Perhaps you are confusing me with Jeff?
  
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Re: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of The Baker!
Reply #18 - Jun 5th, 2018 at 5:08pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 5th, 2018 at 4:35pm:
I never said anything about a "government conspiracy".  I made no such claim. 

Perhaps you are confusing me with Jeff?
I keep saying there isn't enough information available to us so that were might be exactly sure who is conspiring with who or why.

People all through the bureaucratic crony state are conspiring with all sorts of people, most of them not nice!

But we aren't allowed to know who they are or what they are doing or with who.

Edit: The standard response from socially responsible people is that monopolistic oligarchic corporations are controlling everything and even more government is required to stop them, or maybe a special prosecutor...
  
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Re: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of The Baker!
Reply #19 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 8:50am
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Some good discussion about the cake decorating controversy-

http://reason.com/volokh/2018/06/04/how-the-masterpiece-cakeshop-decision-st?utm...
  
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