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Re: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of The Baker!
Reply #20 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 10:33am
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Jeff wrote on Jun 5th, 2018 at 3:49pm:
That's not what the Court said. They said he can't be punished under a particular statute just because the State doesn't like Christians. He can still be punished for refusing to serve gays, just so long as the State doesn't take his religion into account.


That's exactly right.  This is a very limited victory in that it grants more freedom of choice while also reinforcing the government claim to limit that freedom. 

No claim of religious scruples will ever prevent a state from punishing someone discriminating against Blacks or Hispanics so all this ruling really does is deny gays the same preferential treatment that Blacks and Hispanics have.

  

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Reply #21 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:00pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Some good discussion about the cake decorating controversy-

http://reason.com/volokh/2018/06/04/how-the-masterpiece-cakeshop-decision-st?utm...

That's interesting... thanks Jeff.

I never would have made the connection between Trump's Travel Ban and the Masterpiece Cake Shop dilemma - it seems like apples and oranges to me. 

But Somin's article draws some interesting parallels between the two.
  
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Reply #22 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:19pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 12:00pm:
That's interesting... thanks Jeff.

I never would have made the connection between Trump's Travel Ban and the Masterpiece Cake Shop dilemma - it seems like apples and oranges to me. 

But Somin's article draws some interesting parallels between the two.


It's just too bad that your country can't allow sleeping dogs to lie. In 50 years when gays are totally accepted by even the right and there are only a few Christian believers left, the question can be answered without taking into consideration religious superstitions.

But unfortunately in today's political climate, the case was setteled in favour of religious superstitious beliefs.

Another example that could be used as a comparison is the Dover school board decision against Intelligent designers. It much more closely equates to this decision than Trump's travel ban.

Beyond the trees there is the forest of evidence that proves religion is superstitious beliefs.

The best thing to do would have been to not allow this kind of nonsense to get to the Scotus. It makes mockery of the justice system and everybody loses.
  
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Re: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of The Baker!
Reply #23 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 5:25pm
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It's just too bad that your country can't allow sleeping dogs to lie. In 50 years when gays are totally accepted by even the right and there are only a few Christian believers left, the question can be answered without taking into consideration religious superstitions.

But unfortunately in today's political climate, the case was setteled in favour of religious superstitious beliefs.

Another example that could be used as a comparison is the Dover school board decision against Intelligent designers. It much more closely equates to this decision than Trump's travel ban.

Beyond the trees there is the forest of evidence that proves religion is superstitious beliefs.

The best thing to do would have been to not allow this kind of nonsense to get to the Scotus. It makes mockery of the justice system and everybody loses.

Yawn.

Do you not have a will of your own Dong?

Unless you have a human will, you will be considered an animal.

That's the way it's always been.

Edit: Are you nothing but a trained animal Dong?
  
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Jeff wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Yawn.

Do you not have a will of your own Dong?

Unless you have a human will, you will be considered an animal.

That's the way it's always been.

Edit: Are you nothing but a trained animal Dong?


Pray for me Craig. Pray that I finally feel the light of the god come upon me!

When you do would you mind giving me the time so I can sit down and honestly try to feel the heal. Like, evil demons go ooooouuuuutttttt!

PST please so  no time difference wil ruin the feelings. Give it to me with both of the lord's barrels at once. Heeeeeeyuulllllll!

Gee, just thinking about it gives me a stiffy!
  
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Reply #25 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 10:50pm
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Discrimination against Nazis and religious freaks is justified Chief. Gays should be treated as our equals.

Religious freaks are child abusers and they shouldn't be tolerated in a modern society. Starting with the pope the should be jailed for the hurt they've done to children.

You yourself as a Vulcan have been guilty of the same.


Just FYI, I've been reading this post once a day and it's consistently humourous.

I don't think anyone else has really gotten this yet so I'll spell it out.

The whole reason Nazis are Nazis is that they think some people should have more rights than others.

If you're human, and this isn't cracking you up, there's something wrong with you.
  

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Reply #26 - Jun 7th, 2018 at 6:49am
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Pray for me Craig.
I don't do that sort of thing. My only prayers are prayers of thanksgiving, and I'm not thankful for your existence.
  
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Re: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of The Baker!
Reply #27 - Jun 7th, 2018 at 6:55am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 10:50pm:
I don't think anyone else has really gotten this yet so I'll spell it out.

The whole reason Nazis are Nazis is that they think some people should have more rights than others.

The National Socialist German Workers Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) is what you are talking about, the shortened version was Nazi Party.

What they really thought was that a good German "socialist system" could be created only if they got rid of the "defectives" and the "sub-humans" and the "vermin". You know, anyone they considered to be not really quite human didn't really have any rights at all.

The rest of the Nazi Parties plan was also typical "socialism" as it is always applied in the real world.
  
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Re: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of The Baker!
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Reply #29 - Jun 7th, 2018 at 2:20pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 10:50pm:
Just FYI, I've been reading this post once a day and it's consistently humourous.

I don't think anyone else has really gotten this yet so I'll spell it out.

The whole reason Nazis are Nazis is that they think some people should have more rights than others.

If you're human, and this isn't cracking you up, there's something wrong with you.


I stay safely to the left on the political specturm and therefore can be accused by Americans of being a communist. I don't really mind because I know that Americans are pre-programmed from the cradle to see 'social responsibility' as communism. That's the way the rich and powerful keep you all safely under control.

But you're right that Nazis are Nazis and that does mean they will apply force. At the moment Trump is applying force through trade wars with even it's allies. The Nazi attempts that sort of tactic before turning to all out military force.

History is almost certainly repeating itself as the rest of the world is coming together as a force that is capable of standing up to the US. That's exactly what happened in the 30's as Hitler led Germany to war.

Extreme rightist fascism is always the evil aggressor. It's never been communist countries that have started shooting first.


That's a fact! The US has excuses for it but it doesn't make it any less true!

Is it the dominoes tumbling again?
  
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