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A Socialist Utopia
Jun 7th, 2018 at 1:32pm
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I watched a TV show last night that had very unusual plot:

An isolated town where every person works for the government.  Nobody has to buy anything - the government provides everyone with everything they could possibly need; food, clothing, cars, even a computerized "smart" house!! 

They joke  "C'mon, I'll buy you a drink!"  and then they giggle because everyone knows that everything is "free"...

Except it really isn't.  Taxpayers in other parts of the country foot the bill for everything. 

The town is a haven for brainiacs who design hi-tech stuff to be weaponized for the military. Instead of an AREA 51, they have an AREA 5.  The entrance to AREA 5 is guarded by 2 poker-faced Marines with tripod-mounted M2 50s.

Its sort of a modern-day equivalent of (Manhattan Project) Los Alamos, NM.

The title of the show is Eureka.
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 7th, 2018 at 1:52pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 1:32pm:
I watched a TV show last night that had very unusual plot:

An isolated town where every person works for the government.  Nobody has to buy anything - the government provides everyone with everything they could possibly need; food, clothing, cars, even a computerized "smart" house!! 

They joke  "C'mon, I'll buy you a drink!"  and then they giggle because everyone knows that everything is "free"...

Except it really isn't.  Taxpayers in other parts of the country foot the bill for everything. 

The town is a haven for brainiacs who design hi-tech stuff to be weaponized for the military. Instead of an AREA 51, they have an AREA 5.  The entrance to AREA 5 is guarded by 2 poker-faced Marines with tripod-mounted M2 50s.

Its sort of a modern-day equivalent of (Manhattan Project) Los Alamos, NM.

The title of the show is Eureka.


That would be a communist system Chief. It's somewhat similar to communal living. Calling it a 'utopia' gives it a similiarity to the libertarian imagined utopia. Both are just in people's imaginations and both are quite impossible.

Communism doesn't work Chief and neither does extreme right Nazism. Capitalism of the sort that the happiest countries of the world have does work!

Will the US choose full blown Nazism under Trump's leadership? There are some definite indications that the US is headed in that direction already! The examples are a lot of the issues you libertarians are always bitching and complaining about.

The other direction the US may turn is toward 'socially responsible capitalism', as Trump promised and Bernie promised.

Can you see any position in between now? This is a leadup to war that is remarkably similar to Hitler's in the 30's.
  
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Re: A Socialist Utopia
Reply #2 - Jun 7th, 2018 at 2:41pm
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Will the US choose full blown Nazism under Trump's leadership? There are some definite indications that the US is headed in that direction already!

Nazism is National Socialism.  So no, the US would never choose full blown Nazism under Trump's leadership.

Probably not even under Bernie Sanders' leadership.  But it might come close.

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The other direction the US may turn is toward 'socially responsible capitalism', as Trump promised and Bernie promised.

I don't believe Trump ever promised that.  Citation needed.

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Can you see any position in between now? This is a leadup to war that is remarkably similar to Hitler's in the 30's.

It's important not to invoke Nazism every time something bad happens, or someone disagrees with you.  It cheapens the term so it no longer has any meaning.

Here's a good description of Nazism which might help you understand why there are times when the term is proper to use, and there are times when it's not:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
  
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
Nazism is National Socialism.  So no, the US would never choose full blown Nazism under Trump's leadership.

Probably not even under Bernie Sanders' leadership.  But it might come close.

I don't believe Trump ever promised that.  Citation needed.

It's important not to invoke Nazism every time something bad happens, or someone disagrees with you.  It cheapens the term so it no longer has any meaning.

Here's a good description of Nazism which might help you understand why there are times when the term is proper to use, and there are times when it's not:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism


Nazism isn't socialism or communism, it's the opposite on the political spectrum. We always hear about extreme right neo-Nazi Americans. And we alway hear of the leftist fighting against them.

It is time to invoke the term Nazism to describe the US tactics that are happening under Trump. It's time you started to see Trump for the evil fascist he really is.

He doesn't even attempt to hide it and that's because his follower areen't ashamed of the label. They're actually proud of it. And violent racism is a big part of it. His base brought him to power more on that factor than any other.

You mr. libertarian are one of the Americans that broke from the evil your country is doing under corrupt government. Now you need to stand up and be a leader against the evil cause.
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 7th, 2018 at 4:01pm
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Nazism isn't socialism or communism, it's the opposite on the political spectrum.

How wrong you are.

The NA in Nazi is short for the German word National.

The The ZI in Nazi is short for the german word sozialismus (meaning Socialism)

Term Nazi literally means National Socialist.   That's not my opinion, Don_G.  It's a fact.

I fully understand how facts can be quite bothersome to you leftists.

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Reply #5 - Jun 7th, 2018 at 8:22pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
“The real enemy of Truth is not ignorance, doubt, or even disbelief - it is false knowledge.” - Lee McIntyre
Another good one Chief! If you accept lies as truth, you are lost.

Dong looks for lies whenever he's confronted by truth, or just makes up new lies.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 7th, 2018 at 8:24pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
How wrong you are.

The NA in Nazi is short for the German word National.

The The ZI in Nazi is short for the german word sozialismus (meaning Socialism)

Term Nazi literally means National Socialist.   That's not my opinion, Don_G.  It's a fact.

I fully understand how facts can be quite bothersome to you leftists.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

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Far-right politics are politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of more extreme nationalist,[1][2] and nativist ideologies, as well as authoritarian tendencies.[3]

The term is often associated with Nazism,[4] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views.[5] These can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the native ethnic group,[6][7] nation, state[8] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions.[9]


Sounds a lot like they're describing Trump doesn't it!

And you fascists/Nazis/americans are the enemy of socialists and communists. But you're welcome to keep trying to make a fool of yourself. libertarian wankers like you would say that Ronald Reagan was a communist if he said anything against libertarian nonsense.

Even building 7 had to be a communist plot by Bush1!
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 7th, 2018 at 8:29pm
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And you fascists/Nazis/americans are the enemy of socialists and communists. But you're welcome to keep trying to make a fool of yourself. libertarian wankers like you would say that Ronald Reagan was a communist if he said anything against libertarian nonsense.

Even building 7 had to be a communist plot by Bush1!
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Reply #8 - Jun 7th, 2018 at 8:53pm
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Sounds a lot like they're describing Trump doesn't it!

And you fascists/Nazis/americans are the enemy of socialists and communists. libertarian wankers like you would say that Ronald Reagan was a communist if he said anything against libertarian nonsense.

Even building 7 had to be a communist plot by Bush1!

Another childish rant.

  You've demonstrated (in different posts) that you don't know the meanings of the terms libertarian, communist or socialist.  You assign your own definitions to these terms and then get emotional and throw a tantrum when someone tries to correct you.

The more you call me a racist and a Nazi, the more irrelevant you become (as if that's even possible).
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 7th, 2018 at 11:26pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 7th, 2018 at 1:32pm:
I watched a TV show last night that had very unusual plot:

An isolated town where every person works for the government.  Nobody has to buy anything - the government provides everyone with everything they could possibly need; food, clothing, cars, even a computerized "smart" house!! 

They joke  "C'mon, I'll buy you a drink!"  and then they giggle because everyone knows that everything is "free"...

Except it really isn't.  Taxpayers in other parts of the country foot the bill for everything. 

The town is a haven for brainiacs who design hi-tech stuff to be weaponized for the military. Instead of an AREA 51, they have an AREA 5.  The entrance to AREA 5 is guarded by 2 poker-faced Marines with tripod-mounted M2 50s.

Its sort of a modern-day equivalent of (Manhattan Project) Los Alamos, NM.

The title of the show is Eureka.


If anyone invited me to such a place, I'd immediately leave. I'm not going to steal from taxpayers like that. It's disgusting.
  

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