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Reply #50 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 5:51pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 5:02pm:
Don't expect huge bureaucracies to be anything but what they are and have always been.

Lying is easier than working if you can get away with it, and in huge bureaucracies, you can usually get away with it. Sometimes it will be demanded of you by your lying superiors.

What do you do if blowing the whistle on lying superiors gets you fired or worse? Many places in the world your superiors will have you shot if you don't lie for them. Shocked

the government can olny work with checks and blances but the government dose not want to be at war with its self
  
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Reply #51 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 6:34pm
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thermf5 wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 5:51pm:
the government can olny work with checks and blances but the government dose not want to be at war with its self


therm, does the guvranumunt a low yu too haf a guns?

Can I make a sbugestun what tu impvurv the gene pul?

Not in the head therm, between your goal posts.
  
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Reply #52 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 7:01pm
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therm, does the guvranumunt a low yu too haf a guns?

Can I make a sbugestun what tu impvurv the gene pul?

Not in the head therm, between your goal posts.

what dose guns have any thing to do with checks and balances
  
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Reply #53 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 7:34pm
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thermf5 wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 5:51pm:
the government can olny work with checks and blances but the government dose not want to be at war with its self
Bureaucracies fight turf wars all the time. Presidents want to rule with their pens and phones, the Senate thinks everyone should defer to them, courts pretend they can legislate.

There are lots of people in government seeking power and money and prestige and to serve causes... Shocked That's what makes it so necessary to divide government.

Young Kim can and does rule with his pen and his phone, neither of which are likely to have been made by happy "socialist" workers in North Korea.
  
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Reply #54 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 11:27am
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Jeff wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
Bureaucracies fight turf wars all the time. Presidents want to rule with their pens and phones, the Senate thinks everyone should defer to them, courts pretend they can legislate.

There are lots of people in government seeking power and money and prestige and to serve causes... Shocked That's what makes it so necessary to divide government.

Young Kim can and does rule with his pen and his phone, neither of which are likely to have been made by happy "socialist" workers in North Korea.


Dear leader young Kim has done what he has needed to do to protect his country from US aggression and interference. His people know they had to suffer under US interference in their country until they got their nuclear deterrent.

Now things are going to change boss. We all need to join together in wishing the N.K. people well. I know you and I do!
  
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Reply #55 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 8:34pm
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Dear leader young Kim has done what he has needed to do to protect his country from US aggression and interference. His people know they had to suffer under US interference in their country until they got their nuclear deterrent.

Now things are going to change boss. We all need to join together in wishing the N.K. people well. I know you and I do!

next thing u know ur going to suck up to china even tho there human rights recored is shit for crappity smack sake packastin and India what to nuke the shit out of eatch other
  
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Reply #56 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 9:31pm
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thermf5 wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 8:34pm:
next thing u know ur going to suck up to china even tho there human rights recored is shit for crappity smack sake packastin and India what to nuke the shit out of eatch other


You shouldn't believe US propaganda therm. It's the US that has slaughtered millions of innocents in close to 40 wars of aggression since WW2 alone.


  
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Reply #57 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:48am
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You shouldn't believe US propaganda therm. It's the US that has slaughtered millions of innocents in close to 40 wars of aggression since WW2 alone.


The Chinese Communists and Russian Soviets killed far more just to gain power, and they really never stopped killing or seeking more power and territory.

But so what? Their "visible hand" is going to keep causing economic disasters as long as they wield the power to control national economies... That applies to all countries, and historically, trade wars lead to shooting wars.
  
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Reply #58 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 12:08pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:48am:
The Chinese Communists and Russian Soviets killed far more just to gain power, and they really never stopped killing or seeking more power and territory.


Do you understand how you are describing the US, since the end of WW2?

The total for the US has likely equalled and bettered that of any other aggressor in history now.

And don't you feel a bit embarrassed in knowing that China isn't running roughshod on the rest of the world now?

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But so what? Their "visible hand" is going to keep causing economic disasters as long as they wield the power to control national economies... That applies to all countries, and historically, trade wars lead to shooting wars.


At least you're approaching the debate from an angle that 'maybe' could be debated. You are slowly starting to change the reality of US economic dirty tricks into China's economic dirty tricks.

But you're going to have to make the accusation against a lot of other countries at the same time. You can include Canada.

Are you really not bright enough to see the rise of Nazism under the Trump regime? Is it the rest of the world?

Welcome to the debate boss. You've jumped in with both feet now!
  
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Reply #59 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 4:51pm
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Do you understand how you are describing the US, since the end of WW2?


I understand you'd like to pretend that America has been worse that National Socialists, World Socialists and Communists, but it's simply not true. Not even close.
  
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