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Reply #60 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:19pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
I understand you'd like to pretend that America has been worse that National Socialists, World Socialists and Communists, but it's simply not true. Not even close.


It's debatable for sure, but it's not the point at this moment in time. US aggrssion is and it has been since WW2.

So the real point is that China is not the aggressor now and the US is.

You may be able to argue with a bit more success if you try to blame the developing trade war on China and not on Trump. I'm inviting you again to give it a try!

On the military aggression, you know you don't stand a chance unless you rely on historic references that I contend are debatable.

Stay with me on this one boss. Reingorcements for your argument are on the way!
  
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Reply #61 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:30pm
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So the real point is that China is not the aggressor now and the US is.
I see. Are you sure China isn't beginning to extend it's empire?
  
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Reply #62 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:34pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
I see. Are you sure China isn't beginning to extend it's empire?


I don't think so but I am always interested in having the debate if you do.

I'll even  give you a starting point for your side of the debate.

1.Tibet.

2. Manmade islands in the South China Sea.

Will you take the bait or will you pass on this challenge too?
  
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Reply #63 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:36pm
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I don't think so but I am always interested in having the debate if you do.

I'll even  give you a starting point for your side of the debate.

1.Tibet.

2. Manmade islands in the South China Sea.

Will you take the bait or will you pass on this challenge too?
What's your side of the debate Dork?
  
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Reply #64 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:45pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:36pm:
What's your side of the debate Dork?


Are you trying to find some thinking time boss?

I'm now pretty much on an extended holiday on this forum.  You're carrying the ball for me. And you know my position.

If you've gone off, which I suspect you have, then you get yourself an excuse to try to change the subject.

But if you're made of whole cloth then state your position.
  
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Reply #65 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 8:57am
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Reply #66 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 11:09am
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Jeff wrote on Jul 25th, 2018 at 8:57am:


The "Reason" people whining about libertarian values seems so insignificant now as Trump leads the US into fascism. Now, with Trump's latest trick of rescuing US farmers from the destructive trade war he started, the Republicans are starting to come alive.

Putting 30b in reserve to bail out farmers was a sound idea and socially responsible. Using it for the purpose Trump is using it is fascism written large.

And oh how it runs exactly opposite to libertarian declared ideals.

Yet the ones who claim to be libertarians for some reason fall silent?
  
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Reply #67 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 1:55pm
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The "Reason" people whining about libertarian values seems so insignificant now as Trump leads the US into fascism. Now, with Trump's latest trick of rescuing US farmers from the destructive trade war he started, the Republicans are starting to come alive.

Putting 30b in reserve to bail out farmers was a sound idea and socially responsible. Using it for the purpose Trump is using it is fascism written large.

And oh how it runs exactly opposite to libertarian declared ideals.

Yet the ones who claim to be libertarians for some reason fall silent?
It's been going on for a long time, and the people at Reason have been exposing and opposing it for a long time, whether it's the Republican faction or the Democrat faction or some ringer like The Donald that's responsible doesn't matter.

It was always important. Maybe it becomes more important as we become less free?
  
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Reply #68 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:44am
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Reply #69 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:31am
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Tom Palven wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 2:49am:
The Visible Hand of sledgehammer bureaucracy that screws up spontaneous order:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-tariffs-are-already-backfiring/20...


Unfortunately, the imperial-money system represented by the Washington Post isn't really based on the invisible hand either.

This was what the American electorate felt in 2016, that the entire system is rigged.

True, Trump's explicit protectionism represents a kind of explicit rigging.  But as a German philosopher said, 'when you mix a tablespoon of fine wine into a bucket of gutter water, what you have is gutter water.  When you mix a bucket of fine wine with a tablespoon of gutter water, what you have is still gutter water.'
  
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