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Re: 1st Lady Melania Speaks Out Against Zero Tolerance Immigration Policy
Reply #10 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 11:23am
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Jeff wrote on Jun 18th, 2018 at 7:28am:
That would work too, and I'm assuming people here on guest visas don't qualify for government assistance?

Guest Visa holders would qualify for government assistance, however, once they go on welfare, their Guest Visa cannot ever be renewed.  When the expiration date comes, they must leave the US.

If they fail to do so, then they are here illegally, and subject to deportation protocols. 

As you can see, by getting government assistance, the guest is sealing their fate.  That's a HUGE incentive for them to stay off welfare.
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 2:36pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 18th, 2018 at 11:23am:
Guest Visa holders would qualify for government assistance, however, once they go on welfare, their Guest Visa cannot ever be renewed.  When the expiration date comes, they must leave the US.

If they fail to do so, then they are here illegally, and subject to deportation protocols. 

As you can see, by getting government assistance, the guest is sealing their fate.  That's a HUGE incentive for them to stay off welfare.
If they work, they should qualify for unemployment benefits if they lose their jobs, whatever the states are handing out now.

Why give guests access to your bank account by granting them "welfare" to begin with?
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 4:33pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 18th, 2018 at 2:36pm:
If they work, they should qualify for unemployment benefits if they lose their jobs, whatever the states are handing out now.

Why give guests access to your bank account by granting them "welfare" to begin with?

Any welfare granted to guests would come exclusively from funding provided by Guest Visa sales. Keep in mind, they are guests - not citizens.  These people cannot vote or collect social security benefits.

They will be exempt from Federal income tax, but they will have to pay ACA (aka ObamaCare) tax. Also, some states may impose an income tax on Guest Visa holders, but that's up to each state. 

As California is a sanctuary state, there would be no income taxes for Guest Visa holders.  Arizona, yes, they will be liable for state income tax.
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 4:39pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 18th, 2018 at 4:33pm:
Any welfare granted to guests would come exclusively from funding provided by Guest Visa sales.
You are predicting results from a projection of a law that hasn't been talked about, much less passed. I want to wait and read the wording of the law, hoping it's less than two full pages in it's body. Smiley
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 4:42pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 18th, 2018 at 4:33pm:
They will be exempt from Federal income tax...
Why? The tax is laid on "incomes" not sources.

Taxes on incomes have always been held to be Indirect, which subjects them to the rule of uniformity of the Constitution.

Levying a tax on incomes that is not uniform is illegal.
  
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Reply #15 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 7:11pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 18th, 2018 at 4:42pm:
Why? The tax is laid on "incomes" not sources.

Taxes on incomes have always been held to be Indirect, which subjects them to the rule of uniformity of the Constitution.

Levying a tax on incomes that is not uniform is illegal.

Not in this case.  Monies collected from the Guest Visa sales will be used to pay "assistance" to Guest Visa Holders who request it.  If only 1 out 10 Guests applies for gov't assisitance, then the program should be self-sustaining. 

If however, 4 out 10 guests apply for assistance, there could be funding problems.   In this case we would need to bump up the initial Guest Visa fee to $1000 instead of $500.  The good thing is, we can always adjust the Guest Visa fees to accommodate the needs of the program! 

Jeff wrote on Jun 18th, 2018 at 4:39pm:
You are predicting results from a projection of a law that hasn't been talked about, much less passed. I want to wait and read the wording of the law, hoping it's less than two full pages in it's body. Smiley

I invented the law, so it will stand exactly as I have stated. 

Unfortunately, This law will never be passed (or even proposed) because both wings of the UniParty have their heads up their asses and don't give a crap about the plight of immigrants fleeing shit-hole countries.  They're only interested in political power Grin
  
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Reply #16 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 7:19pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 18th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
Not in this case.  Monies collected from the Guest Visa sales will be used to pay "assistance" to Guest Visa Holders who request it.  If only 1 out 10 Guests applies for gov't assisitance, then the program should be self-sustaining. 

If however, 4 out 10 guests apply for assistance, there could be funding problems.   In this case we would need to bump up the initial Guest Visa fee to $1000 instead of $500.  The good thing is, we can always adjust the Guest Visa fees to accommodate the needs of the program! 

I invented the law, so it will stand exactly as I have stated. 

Unfortunately, This law will never be passed (or even proposed) because both wings of the UniParty have their heads up their asses and don't give a crap about the plight of immigrants fleeing shit-hole countries.  They're only interested in political power Grin
None of this says anything about why you would exempt their incomes (if they have any) from taxation.
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 7:36pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 18th, 2018 at 7:19pm:
None of this says anything about why you would exempt their incomes (if they have any) from taxation.

I'm offering a libertarian solution to the immigration problem.

Income tax is theft.  The basic idea with Guest Visa is we want to treat them as guests.

So it's hands-off for the IRS.  Besides, the Guests will be paying plenty of other taxes.  Just not Federal Income Tax.

Individual states are not subject to this restriction, so they may - or may not - impose income tax on Guests.   The voters of each respective state should decide that.
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 9:44pm
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So have First Ladies Rosalyn Carter, Laura Bush, Hillary Clinton, and Michelle Obama.
  

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Reply #19 - Jun 18th, 2018 at 9:45pm
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So have First Ladies Rosalyn Carter, Laura Bush, Hillary Clinton, and Michelle Obama.
  

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