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Reply #200 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 4:43pm
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Is it right or wrong for the government to be able to tell people who they can and can't hire?


Yep.  You can't hire young children either.
  
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Reply #201 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 4:48pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 4:41pm:
Why is being illegal to come into our country undocumented a bad law, Jeff? 
The law is bad because it encourages both employers and employees to break the law.

The bad effects of prohibition were known ahead of time by liberals, but lots of people profited from it , so it took a long time for the profiteers to give up.

The bad effects of an immigration law that prevents people from coming to America to work were also known ahead of time by libertarians, but profiteers insisted that the government should act to keep their incomes high and advance the objectives of people who favor police states over individual liberty.

Manufacturing reasons for more tyranny has been a Marxist specialty since the beginning.
  
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Re: 1st Lady Melania Speaks Out Against Zero Tolerance Immigration Policy
Reply #202 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 5:15pm
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Jeff, a law encourages people to break that law?  Huh?  People are always going to break laws, it doesn't mean we don't have them.  And having a law against undocumented immigrants isn't the same as Prohibition.  Alcohol is much more popular than employing illegals. 

We need to stop incentivizing people to come here illegally and crack down on employers who hire them.  No more free healthcare and no more free education.  We need to focus on our own poor people, American born and foreign born who come here legally.  We cannot take on so much of the world's poor.  Poor countries need to fix their economic systems and stop exporting their poverty problem to us.
  
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 5:15pm:
Jeff, a law encourages people to break that law? 
Yes, bad laws do that.

Prohibition(s) encourage lots of people to break the law.

Reap what you sow.
  
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Reply #204 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 6:31pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 5:20pm:
Prohibition(s) encourage lots of people to break the law.



No, that's not true. It's all about what is being prohibited.

But people who are continually thinking negatively about government, are anti-establishment, and have a chip on their shoulders, will make a fuss about prohibition of anything. They're a small minority that are usually ignored.
  
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Reply #205 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 6:38pm
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No, that's not true. It's all about what is being prohibited.

But people who are continually thinking negatively about government, are anti-establishment, and have a chip on their shoulders, will make a fuss about prohibition of anything. They're a small minority that are usually ignored.

You started well... But then you lost it completely.

Speaking of free speech-

https://www.cato.org/multimedia/cato-daily-podcast/lessons-europe-freedom-speech

There is a written transcript, but it says the same thing.

Free speech is fundamental to every theory of individual liberty. When speech is suppressed, liberty will be suppressed.
  
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Reply #206 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 6:46pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 6:38pm:
You started well... But then you lost it completely.

Speaking of free speech-

https://www.cato.org/multimedia/cato-daily-podcast/lessons-europe-freedom-speech

There is a written transcript, but it says the same thing.

Free speech is fundamental to every theory of individual liberty. When speech is suppressed, liberty will be suppressed.


I think you may have 'gone off' and you're confusing the topic with something else. We'll try again tomorrow.
  
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Reply #207 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 6:55pm
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I think you may have 'gone off' and you're confusing the topic with something else. We'll try again tomorrow.

Speaking freely. That's in the thread's topic, Mrs. Trump speaking freely.

What were you talking about Dork?

Ignoring minorities wasn't it?
  
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Reply #208 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 7:01pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 5th, 2018 at 6:55pm:
Speaking freely. That's in the thread's topic, Mrs. Trump speaking freely.

What were you talking about Dork?

Ignoring minorities wasn't it?


Boss Sickler, you're like spoiled meat.

You heard me and there's no reason for me to get drawn into this nonsense after you have 'gone off'.

We can talk about it tomorrow if it still interests you.
  
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Reply #209 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 7:05pm
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Boss Sickler, you're like spoiled meat.
Is this more of that civilized conversation you promised? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
  
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