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Reply #10 - Jun 19th, 2018 at 11:10pm
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Reply #11 - Jun 20th, 2018 at 6:48am
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SnarkySack wrote on Jun 19th, 2018 at 9:44pm:
Anyone who wants a multi-layered government with sweeping powers that they are allowed to enlarged and restriction they are allowed to ignore are enemies of freedom. 

So called "constitutional libertarians" are freedom's worst enemies.

Libertarians see a constitution that creates a divided government with limited (and divided) powers and divided responsibilities as the best known way to preserve and protect individual liberty.

"... a multi-layered government with sweeping powers that they are allowed to enlarged and restriction they are allowed to ignore..." is what "progressives" have created out of our constitutional system, and they did it by subverting and perverting the meaning of the Constitution. 

Don't blame libertarians for things done by "progressives".
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 20th, 2018 at 6:49am
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Re: Communist Booted Out Of Military
Reply #13 - Jun 20th, 2018 at 10:43am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jun 19th, 2018 at 10:53pm:
"Constitutional Libertarians?"  That doesn't sound like people wanting to take our freedoms away.


That's why they have been so effective at growing government and taking freedom.

Under the constitution, we now pay an average of 31% of our earnings to the federal government, a large percent to states who are trying to comply with unfunded federal mandates while living in states that are entirely subservient to the federal government. 

That isn't new.  Federal over-reach began during GW's first term.


  

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Reply #14 - Jun 20th, 2018 at 2:23pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 10:43am:
That's why they have been so effective at growing government and taking freedom.

Under the constitution, we now pay an average of 31% of our earnings to the federal government, a large percent to states who are trying to comply with unfunded federal mandates while living in states that are entirely subservient to the federal government. 

That isn't new.  Federal over-reach began during GW's first term.


You are wrong about putting down a rebellion during the Washington administration, and you are wrong that it was libertarians who grew our government and expanded it's powers unconstitutionally... That was "progressives", no matter how many times you say it was libertarians. The FDR administration was not composed of libertarians or of people who believed in a limited government of enumerated powers.
  
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Reply #15 - Jun 20th, 2018 at 5:04pm
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Since Libertarians have never been in power, they can't be blamed for big government.  Libertarians are for small, sleek government.
  
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Reply #16 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 6:41am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jun 20th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
Since Libertarians have never been in power, they can't be blamed for big government.  Libertarians are for small, sleek government.
Libertarians created the United States and held many offices in the government in the early days, but I agree, they were never "in power" because the Constitution didn't give them much power.

(Note: They did have the power to lay and collect taxes to pay the legally incurred debts of the United States, and the power to call out the militia to put down rebellions, neither of which are libertarian actions unless viewed in the light of the fact that preserving the U.S. was the best known way to preserve the maximum of individual liberty possible.)
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Reply #17 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 4:44pm
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Libertarians did not create the United States.  If they had, there would have been no slavery, and every law abiding adult would have been allowed to vote.
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 4:52pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jun 21st, 2018 at 4:44pm:
Libertarians did not create the United States.  If they had, there would have been no slavery, and every law abiding adult would have been allowed to vote.
They compromised with slavers for realpolitik reasons, like the continued existence of the U.S.

Allowing women to vote or not was not essential to the American plan to preserve and protect individual liberty, and most women of the time agreed with that and felt confident in their abilities to influence the opinions of the men around them.
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 4:56pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 21st, 2018 at 4:52pm:
Allowing women to vote or not was not essential to the American plan to preserve and protect individual liberty...
On second thought, maybe it was...

What do you think Ruby? Has individual liberty in America advanced or retreated since women were allowed to vote?
  
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