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Reply #20 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 6:10pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Jun 19th, 2018 at 9:44pm:
All who support our strong national government as laid out in our constitution are working to take away our freedoms.  Why single out communists?
Communists don't support strong national governments Red, that's just what they always end up with. Cry

Libertarians want a government strong enough to prevent a communist takeover of America.

You don't like that because you would prefer a communist takeover.
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Reply #21 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 7:03pm
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The founding fathers who disagreed with slavery could have spoken out against it, it could have ended slavery earlier.

As for women not being allowed to vote, why should any contributing member of society be denied equality?  How is it libertarian to deny certain individuals equal rights?  And no, influencing your husband's vote is no substitute for actually having the right to vote.  How would you like it if men were denied the right to vote and told they can just influence their wives' votes?  Wouldn't you feel like your individuality was not respected? 

What has happened to liberty since women had the right to vote?  Having the right to vote has given half the population of adults more liberty, so you tell me.
  
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Reply #22 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 7:27pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jun 21st, 2018 at 7:03pm:
The founding fathers who disagreed with slavery could have spoken out against it, it could have ended slavery earlier.

How? Slavers were willing to leave the union and fight a war to preserve and extend the institution of slavery. They would not listen to rational arguments about rights. They insisted that black people were property, and that that the Constitutional protected property rights... (Something modern "progressives" believe is wrong because they believe owning any property is wrong, especially if you profit from it's use.)
  
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Reply #23 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 7:28pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jun 21st, 2018 at 7:03pm:
As for women not being allowed to vote, why should any contributing member of society be denied equality?  How is it libertarian to deny certain individuals equal rights?
Voting is not a right.
  
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Reply #24 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 7:31pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jun 21st, 2018 at 7:03pm:
What has happened to liberty since women had the right to vote?  Having the right to vote has given half the population of adults more liberty, so you tell me.
Points of view differ.
I would say that the size and scope and power of government have been expanded enormously since women were permitted to vote, and that all of us now have less liberty.

I can't lay that all at the feet of women, but they helped.
  
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Reply #25 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 8:12pm
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Jeff, you don't know that the founding fathers speaking out against slavery wouldn't have had any effect.  They were well respected during their time and even more so after their time.  They could have influenced many people.
  
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Reply #26 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 8:20pm
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Voting is not a right.


The government cannot prohibit citizens from voting.  Therefore, we have the right to vote.
  
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Reply #27 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 8:29pm
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I would say that the size and scope and power of government have been expanded enormously since women were permitted to vote, and that all of us now have less liberty.

I can't lay that all at the feet of women, but they helped.


Jeff, half the adult population didn't have liberty when we had patriarchy, so how can you say patriarchy meant more liberty?  Giving women equal freedom was a huge step for liberty.  Maybe you don't appreciate this because it wasn't your gender that was being oppressed. 

And BTW, before women's lib, Uncle Sam was in our bedrooms.  Things like shacking-up and oral sex were illegal.  Notice that patriarchies today are just as, if not worse, anti-freedom.
  
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Reply #28 - Jun 21st, 2018 at 10:17pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jun 21st, 2018 at 7:03pm:
being allowed to vote, why should any contributing member of society be denied equality?


Thank. you.
  

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Reply #29 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 9:08am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 21st, 2018 at 10:17pm:
Thank. you.
Only letting people vote who are productive contributors to society is a long way from what we have now, and who is afforded the privilege of voting is up to the states with some limits imposed by Constitutional amendments. Race and failure to pay taxes can't be used as a reason to deny people the vote. Neither can they be denied because of age, as long as they are 18 or older.

That leaves a lot of room to deny people the privilege of voting, for instance, you didn't have a job last year? You don't get to vote, or, you don't own real property? You don't get to vote.

And of course as all the Amendments specify, you have to be a citizen.
  
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