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Reply #30 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 9:13am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jun 21st, 2018 at 8:29pm:
Jeff, half the adult population didn't have liberty when we had patriarchy, so how can you say patriarchy meant more liberty?
Women were not un-free in America when the weren't allowed to vote, they just weren't allowed to vote.

All of the Rights and liberties that applied to other Americans applied to them, they were just denied the vote by most states.

Lots of people don't bother to vote now. That doesn't affect their liberty at all.
  
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Reply #31 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 4:52pm
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Jeff, the Constitution clearly states that the federal and state governments cannot deny people the right to vote based on their race or gender.

Also, how is denying a woman the right to vote based solely on the fact that she's a woman not limiting her freedom?  It's denying her political freedom.  When women went from being denied political freedom to not being denied political freedom, it was a huge step forward for liberty in America.
  
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Reply #32 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 5:30pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jun 22nd, 2018 at 4:52pm:
Jeff, the Constitution clearly states that the federal and state governments cannot deny people the right to vote based on their race or gender.

Gender is a choice Ruby, "Women" are a fiction constructed out of ignorant religious and biological prejudices...

Nevertheless, women must be allowed to vote in every state.

I'm not sure that was a good idea. I'm an empiricist and an historian. I like to look at long term evidence of results...

"Progressives" insisted that women be allowed to vote, and they are.

How has it worked out? Have
"progressive" goals been achieved by allowing women to vote, or is it hindering "progressive" goals?
  
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Re: Communist Booted Out Of Military
Reply #33 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 10:13pm
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Gender is biology, not a choice.

Libertarians insisted women be allowed to vote.

Freedom was in decline BEFORE women were allowed to vote.

Really, Jeff.  You think women are responsible for big government?  Big government existed long before women achieved equality.  Look at the patriarchies today in the Middle East where governments can hang you for, "crimes against chastity."  Your government is pretty big and intrusive if it's in your bedroom.
  
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Reply #34 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 10:16pm
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I wouldn't listen to his/her nonsense. Remember how he treated Dissident when Dissident suggested certain demographics were responsible for the decline of freedom?

But when the demographic in question is females, schplit suddenly thinks judging people by their demographic is A-OK.

One thing to note is that Dissident was objectively correct. It shouldn't matter, because everyone living under a government has the right to a voice in how they are governed.

Jeff is the worst kind of hypocrite. If someone is objectively correct, but being "hateful" then he'll get that person banned, because saying the things Dissident said was wrong, even if those things were true.

But if Jeff can get away with the same kind of hate? He'll get away with it. He contributed to getting someone banned for doing something he does himself.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Communist Booted Out Of Military
Reply #35 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 10:30pm
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I missed that argument, Opp.  Sounds like it was pretty interesting.  I'm guessing he said that minorities are eroding our freedom because the majority of them vote for big government policies.  But whites still make up the majority of voters.
  
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Reply #36 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 10:33pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jun 19th, 2018 at 11:44am:
Unbelievable that there are Americans working to take away our freedoms.  Why is a guy like this in the military in the first place?

West Point grad who posed with 'Communism will win' in cap discharged
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/west-point-grad-who-posed-with-communism-will-...


The US ignores a person's right to freedom of expressing his political choice. And the important point to mention on this forum is that libertarians don't defend his right.

He's scored a political victory by putting it to the test and the US military played right into his game by having him discharged.

The poine worth considering is whether he did what he did to get out of a corrupt military he wanted to be no part of, or he was more interested in making a statement?

Regardless, he's succeeded in doing both and it surely was planned as opposed to it being his punishment.

The US continues its march to fascism. As with Nazi Germany it will alienate all it's allies that aren't at least equally corrupt.

Shame on pseudo-libertarians who aren't even able to rise above their country's corrupt politics when it's a compromise of their most valued principles.
  
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Re: Communist Booted Out Of Military
Reply #37 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 10:38pm
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From the book, The Libertarian Mind:

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Libertarian thought emphasizes the dignity of each individual, which entails both rights and responsibilites.  The progressive extension of dignity to more people, to women, to people of different religions, races, sexual orientations, is one of the great libertarian triumphs of the Western world.


This is from the book I'm reading by David Boaz, he wrote the article, Jeff, which you posted a link to:

Key Concepts of Libertarianism
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/key-concepts-libertarianism
  
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Reply #38 - Jun 23rd, 2018 at 1:06am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jun 22nd, 2018 at 10:38pm:
From the book, The Libertarian Mind:


This is from the book I'm reading by David Boaz, he wrote the article, Jeff, which you posted a link to:

Key Concepts of Libertarianism
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/key-concepts-libertarianism


That's a description of everything that you are not.

And none of the others on this forum demonstrate anything much better.

Except perhaps ahhell, who is still afraid to make any real statement on what he believes in.

I still have some hope in the Opposition but he's going to have to get over his hurt feelings before he will be able to express any real libertarian values that will impress.

You Ruby, are nothing but an anti-establishment faker with a fascist bent.
  
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Re: Communist Booted Out Of Military
Reply #39 - Jun 23rd, 2018 at 6:46am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jun 22nd, 2018 at 10:13pm:
Libertarians insisted women be allowed to vote.

Freedom was in decline BEFORE women were allowed to vote.

Really, Jeff.  You think women are responsible for big government?
I believe you are wrong about who was behind the push to allow women to vote. The idea of universal suffrage was always a "progressive" idea based on theories of democracy and socialism.

Our government, as it became more "progressive", began to push the limits of the Constitution, and both the 16th and the 17th Amendments led to declines in liberty, mainly economic liberty, and yes, I think the 19th Amendment helped, though it would certainly be wrong to hold women completely responsible or even say that women in general are "progressives".
  
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