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Re: WH Press Sect'y Sarah Sanders Got Booted From Restaurant
Reply #40 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 10:08pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
Your alternative is to have people define and ration rights. People like those on this forum, presumably.

No one but a libertarian has ever said I don't have rights.

Yes, that includes the government.

It's not important who said it, but which rights were you denied (by a libertarian on this forum)?

Would they include any rights which are recognized in the Bill of Rights?  Just curious.

Of course, there are rights which are not enumerated in the Bill of Rights.
  
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Re: WH Press Sect'y Sarah Sanders Got Booted From Restaurant
Reply #41 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:04am
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
Fine, but you still said I didn't have rights.


As an animal, you have no rights other than those assigned to you by people, which is pretty much only the right to be treated humanely.
  
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Reply #42 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:06am
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
No one but a libertarian has ever said I don't have rights.

If you would ever once describe yourself as human, I would say that (unless you are a convicted criminal) you have every natural right that every other human has.
  
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Reply #43 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:53am
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 10:08pm:
It's not important who said it, but which rights were you denied (by a libertarian on this forum)?

Would they include any rights which are recognized in the Bill of Rights?  Just curious.

Of course, there are rights which are not enumerated in the Bill of Rights.


Apparently I don't have any rights.

Jeff wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 7:49am:
You have no more rights than an animal, because your understanding of rights is at the level of a predatory animal.


merkelstan wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 11:15pm:
Rothbard's criteria makes more sense, because not only does the entity have to demonstrate conscious thought, it needs to understand the concept of rights and demand them for itself.

Amusingly, The Opposition would fail that test.  I still can't get-over what a mental trainwreck his (her?) "concept" of rights was.
  

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Reply #44 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:04am
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:53am:
Apparently I don't have any rights.


Neither do people incarcerated in prisons for life, other than to be treated humanely...

But it's really your refusal to admit that you are human that makes me say you don't have the rights that every human is born with.
  
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Reply #45 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:47am
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:53am:
Apparently I don't have any rights.

thanks for replying.  I think Jeff and merk were speaking metaphorically.  As you sometimes have spoken metaphorically when you self-described yourself as a dragon/lizard/reptile.
  
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Reply #46 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:44pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:47am:
thanks for replying.  I think Jeff and merk were speaking metaphorically.  As you sometimes have spoken metaphorically when you self-described yourself as a dragon/lizard/reptile.


I doubt it.

Jeff wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:04am:
Neither do people incarcerated in prisons for life, other than to be treated humanely...


That's sure nice for people incarcerated and innocent, or political prisoners.

Let's be honest, libertarians are just rights Nazis.

"No rights for you!"

Jeff wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:04am:
But it's really your refusal to admit that you are human that makes me say you don't have the rights that every human is born with.


I guess you actually believe I'm Vulcan. (We're still the same species, bro, since I can make halfbreeds with your females.)

But this is actually what's incredibly disturbing to anyone but a libertarian about your viewpoint.

Can you imagine the scene at the end of the First Contact movie with a libertarian there? Everyone else is filled with wonder and awe to meet actual aliens and Jeff blows their heads off with a shotgun because only humans have rights.

Libertarians are sick in the head. If my sentience and ability to reason isn't enough to grant me rights, I don't want them.
  

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Re: WH Press Sect'y Sarah Sanders Got Booted From Restaurant
Reply #47 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:53pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
I doubt it.


That's sure nice for people incarcerated and innocent, or political prisoners.

Let's be honest, libertarians are just rights Nazis.

"No rights for you!"


I guess you actually believe I'm Vulcan. (We're still the same species, bro, since I can make halfbreeds with your females.)

But this is actually what's incredibly disturbing to anyone but a libertarian about your viewpoint.

Can you imagine the scene at the end of the First Contact movie with a libertarian there? Everyone else is filled with wonder and awe to meet actual aliens and Jeff blows their heads off with a shotgun because only humans have rights.

Libertarians are sick in the head. If my sentience and ability to reason isn't enough to grant me rights, I don't want them.


Are you giving up on libertarianism? That statement doesn't seem to be consistent with your words on libertarianism being by far the best form of government. Did you mean, just the libertarians on this forum?

Don't give up. The newest guy has some ideas on how to place restraints on capitalism. I think he means something that isn't socialism or social responsibility? He may have some good ideas?
  

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Re: WH Press Sect'y Sarah Sanders Got Booted From Restaurant
Reply #48 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:03pm
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SicklersDink wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Are you giving up on libertarianism?


No.

SicklersDink wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
That statement doesn't seem to be consistent with your words on libertarianism being by far the best form of government.


Actually I never said libertarianism was the best form of government. I have said that libertarianism is the objectively best moral philosophy, but also that it has the worst followers.

Libertarians on this forum find themselves in good company with their foremost philosophers in denying others rights; they can't use the "lol internet" excuse.

Listen to this passage from respected libertarian philosopher Hoppe's book: Democracy: The God that Failed (which is on file at the Mises institute):

https://mises.org/library/democracy-god-failed-1
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A member of the human race who is completely incapable of understanding the higher productivity of labor performed under a division of labor based on private property is not properly speaking a person, but falls instead in the same moral category as an animal — of either the harmless sort (to be domesticated and employed as a producer or consumer good, or to be enjoyed as a “free good”) or the wild and dangerous one (to be fought as a pest).


Yep, you read it right: Libertarians - even respected libertarians, not just forum trolls - believe that unless you think like them, you don't have rights.

%$#&ing disturbing.
  

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Re: WH Press Sect'y Sarah Sanders Got Booted From Restaurant
Reply #49 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:45pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:03pm:
No.


Actually I never said libertarianism was the best form of government. I have said that libertarianism is the objectively best moral philosophy, but also that it has the worst followers. [quote]

Your brain is too big by half Oppo. Libertarianism has the worst followers! I agree!

[quote]Libertarians on this forum find themselves in good company with their foremost philosophers in denying others rights; they can't use the "lol internet" excuse.


Right! Do you have anything good to say about libertarians?

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Listen to this passage from respected libertarian philosopher Hoppe's book: Democracy: The God that Failed (which is on file at the Mises institute):

https://mises.org/library/democracy-god-failed-1

Yep, you read it right: Libertarians - even respected libertarians, not just forum trolls - believe that unless you think like them, you don't have rights.


Yup!

  

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