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Reply #40 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:20pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:06pm:
There's a video in the article that Jeff linked. 

At 1:15 in the video, that's the actual dialog - verbatim.  Check it out for yourself.



Interviewer:  "Do you think Trump's pick is an abuse of power?"

College boy:  "Basically, yeah."


Why bother? I took you seriously.

He has an opinion and you have inferred he shouldn't be allowed to vote because you don't apporve of his opinion.

Unless you are ready to apologize then NOT NOW!

You seem to be suggesting that a person shouldn't turn thumbs down on Trump's pick before they know who the pick is. That's where you are wrong. It's as simple as the kid understanding that Trump is the equivalent of Hitler. Nobody needs to test it again and again. The answer is always going to be the same!

Take a year to think about it!
  
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Re: SCOTUS Justice Anthony Kennedy Steps Down
Reply #41 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:26pm
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Why bother? I took you seriously.

He has an opinion and you have inferred he shouldn't be allowed to vote because you don't apporve of his opinion.

Unless you are ready to apologize then NOT NOW!

Take a year to think about it!

No. The boy shouldn't vote because he's not informed. Clearly, he's been brainwashed to oppose absolutely everything Trump says or does. 

Just like you, Dink   Wink
  
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Reply #42 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:29pm
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There's a real problem with the people on this forum and it's not just the Chief. All the p-l's are aligning themselves with Trump and it's become a compromise of the libertarian principles they used to hold dear.

It's a real mindbender to hear how fast they have been turned. And it's revealing that they never did have any real libertarian principles. All it was self-serving bullshit.

Maybe we can start fresh?
  
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Reply #43 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:06pm
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It's a real mindbender to hear how fast they have been turned. And it's revealing that they never did have any real libertarian principles. All it was self-serving bullshit.

Maybe we can start fresh?

You mean transform libertarianism into democratic socialism?  Sorry, Dink - that's not going to happen.

Libertarianism is not going to be transformed or re-defined. 

The cornerstones of libertarianism are self-ownership (rights of the individual), Non-aggression, free market, and limited government.

Democratic Socialism simply doesn't allow for any of these things.
  
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Reply #44 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:25pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:06pm:
You mean transform libertarianism into democratic socialism?  Sorry, Dink - that's not going to happen.

Libertarianism is not going to be transformed or re-defined. 

The cornerstones of libertarianism are self-ownership (rights of the individual), Non-aggression, free market, and limited government.

Democratic Socialism simply doesn't allow for any of these things.


Whatever you see Canada's form of capitalism is, that's what libertarians are going to eventually come to support. The p-l's like you won't change.

I see Canada's government as being 'socially responsible' capitalism. Is that the same to you as 'democratic socialism'?

It's a Liberal government and it differs in some ways to the NDP party which is much closer to d-s.

If you can be serious and forget your hurt and humiliation then I'll explain some of the differences. But some of them are subtle and you would have to apply yourself.

It can't always be about you and your bad feelings chief. You're making no progress with anybody, even on this forum with people like therm and Oppo. And my boss just brushes you off as an annoyance. Although fair to say he's 'gone off' before he gets around to you.

You can't take the vote away from a person who automatically sees Trump as another Hitler. Let's start by hearing what you really mean with your idea of qualifying people to vote. I will listen, even though everybody else has refused to hear you out.
  
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Reply #45 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:43pm
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Whatever you see Canada's form of capitalism is, that's what libertarians are going to eventually come to support. The p-l's like you won't change.
Nonsense.
 
Not even Canadian libertarians are going to buy into that nonsense.  In fact, it's the Canadian libertarians who complain the loudest about the socialist government you have there..

"Libertarianism supports all civil liberties and opposes all attempts by government to reshape its citizens' lives."    http://www.libertarian.on.ca/content/what-libertarianism

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I see Canada's government as being 'socially responsible' capitalism. Is that the same to you as 'democratic socialism'?

Basically, yes.


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You can't take the vote away from a person who automatically sees Trump as another Hitler. Let's start by hearing what you really mean with your idea of qualifying people to vote. I will listen, even though everybody else has refused to hear you out.
Everybody gets the opportunity to vote. Nobody is turned away from the polls.  But for their ballot to be counted, all VPE questions must be answered correctly.  That's it.

here are a couple of sample questions:

What are the 3 branches of government?

a)  Legislative, Judicial, and Financial
b)  Financial, Labor, and Entitlements
c)  Legislative, Executive, and Judicial
d)  Energy, Trade, and Foreign Affairs

What are the functions of Congress?

a)  Allocate Taxes and Confirm jurists on the Supreme Court
b)  Oversee the House of Representatives and suggest replacements.
c)  Make Laws and conduct investigations to oversee the Executive Branch.
d)  Oversee the IRS and Protect the Bill of Rights.
  
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Reply #46 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 2:08pm
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It wouldn't serve any useful purpose and it would just compromise another important libertarian principle. Or two?

It would give government the power to exclude voters, be they not smart enough to vote (by your standards) or they reject government's authority to put any qualifications on a person's right to vote.

Both legitimate reasons to not subscribe to it, regardless of what 'you' deem to be the governments right to qualify people to vote.

Let's even assume that it would be a libertarian government that you think would implement such government control!

Which would be quite impossible for two more reasons:

1. We all know libertarians could never be government. Duhhh!

2. A libertarian government would never grant government more rights to exclude voters based on libertarian's perceived need to qualify.

So forget the whole mess unless you are interested in more government and more intrusion into people's right to vote.

The real libertarian's solution: Spend some tax money on ensuring everybody is registered to vote and then stay the hell out of trying to influence the vote by any means. And that includes Gerrymandering by the Republicans!

You're stupid!  Embarrassed
  
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Re: SCOTUS Justice Anthony Kennedy Steps Down
Reply #47 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 2:40pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:06pm:
There's a video in the article that Jeff linked. 

At 1:15 in the video, that's the actual dialog - verbatim.  Check it out for yourself.



Interviewer:  "Do you think Trump's pick is an abuse of power?"

College boy:  "Basically, yeah."

The boy is so brainwashed, he doesn't even know that Trump hadn't yet made his pick!   Grin   Grin
Maybe he also doesn't realize that it's the president's duty to nominate people for the Supreme Court?
  
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Re: SCOTUS Justice Anthony Kennedy Steps Down
Reply #48 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 2:45pm
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Why bother? I took you seriously.

He has an opinion and you have inferred he shouldn't be allowed to vote because you don't apporve of his opinion.
Actually, I brought it up.

I know you want as many ignorant  uninformed people voting as possible, and if they are people who never actually had a job, so much the better...

That's the best chance you have of electing enough "socially responsible" people and turning the U.S. into Venezuela, right? Cry
  
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Re: SCOTUS Justice Anthony Kennedy Steps Down
Reply #49 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 3:13pm
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It wouldn't serve any useful purpose and it would just compromise another important libertarian principle. Or two?

It would give government the power to exclude voters, be they not smart enough to vote (by your standards) or they reject government's authority to put any qualifications on a person's right to vote.

So forget the whole mess unless you are interested in more government and more intrusion into people's right to vote.


Nope. It doesn't give government any power.  It gives power to the voters by making their ballots be counted.

Also, I'd love to take credit for it, but variations of my VPE have been proposed for many years.  And NOT by libertarians:

"Testing the voters on the platforms of two parties does not violate the democratic principle that everyone has an equal right to vote..."


  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-a-bell/voter-test-europe-china_b_4776362.h...

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You're stupid!  Embarrassed

And the chess board gets kicked over.   I was hoping you would do this, actually.   Wink
  
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