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Reply #170 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:29pm
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goodbye wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:14pm:
Maybe Jeff is a contrarian. Maybe he wants to tell you that you are wrong and he is right. I am not sure if always being right while everyone else is always wrong is the same thing as a contrarian, or a libertarian.
Good discussions require contrary opinions and different ways of looking at things.

If everyone says "By golly Dork is right", then the discussion is dead, there will be none.

I like good discussions.
  
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Reply #171 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:33pm
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goodbye wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:14pm:
I am not sure if always being right while everyone else is always wrong is the same thing as a contrarian, or a libertarian.
It certainly doesn't apply to libertarians...

But then again, it doesn't really apply to anyone.

Are you thinking that there is some ideology or dogma or people that are always right?

Are secret rituals involved?
  
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Reply #172 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 5:26pm
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Jeff, we were comparing charity and government assistance.  One has created an entitlement mentality while the other has not.  You had to drag in parents giving their children everything as if that counts as charity, it does not.  You change the argument simply so you can be disagreeable, 

Also, if a libertarian got into office and started supporting big government, they could not rightfully be called, "libertarian."
  
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Reply #173 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:19pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:29pm:
Good discussions require contrary opinions and different ways of looking at things.
If everyone says "By golly Dork is right", then the discussion is dead, there will be none.
I like good discussions.


I have to agree with you. The discussion makes it interesting and a challenge to examine our own ideas and opinions. If I think the same thing today that I did last week there is always the possibility I am not learning or growing.
  
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Reply #174 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 7:51am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 5:26pm:
Jeff, we were comparing charity and government assistance.  One has created an entitlement mentality while the other has not.  You had to drag in parents giving their children everything as if that counts as charity, it does not.
I was talking about parents enabling their grown children to remain children, which I think has the same sorts of effects as government provided welfare.
  
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Reply #175 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 7:53am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 5:26pm:
Also, if a libertarian got into office and started supporting big government, they could not rightfully be called, "libertarian."
Of course not. That's just another reason government needs to be strictly limited, because politicians will do things like that.
  
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Reply #176 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:46am
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I was talking about parents enabling their grown children to remain children, which I think has the same sorts of effects as government provided welfare.


Yeah well, mom and dad are technically not a charity.  I'm just saying there's a big difference in attitude between people who receive charity and people who get government assistance.  Those who get government goodies feel more entitled, and are less motivated to become independent.
  
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Reply #177 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:55am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:46am:
Yeah well, mom and dad are technically not a charity.
They are when they decide to support their adult children.
  
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Reply #178 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:00am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:46am:
I'm just saying there's a big difference in attitude between people who receive charity and people who get government assistance.  Those who get government goodies feel more entitled, and are less motivated to become independent.
Yes, I've said as much. Actual charities offer help to people they choose as worth helping, and they depend on freely given donations to do it. Governments provide "entitlements" and tax productive people to pay for them.

Adult children often feel entitled to have their parents support them, and some parents feel obligated to do it.
  
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Reply #179 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:18am
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The Salvation Army is a charity, mom and dad are just your parents.
  
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