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Canada's Healthcare System
Jun 28th, 2018 at 10:22am
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From the book I'm reading, The Libertarian Mind:

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In Canada the median waiting time to see a specialist after being referred by a general practitioner is about nine weeks,...


Holy shit!  And I thought it was bad last year when it took me two weeks to get in to see a gastroenterologist. 

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...typically with another nine weeks' wait for surgery recommended by the specialist.  The total waiting time from being referred by the general practitioner to treatment ranges from fifteen weeks in Ontario to thirty-five weeks in New Brunswick.  Canadians wait longer to see a specialist than do Americans without insurance.  Government health-care systems save money by cutting back on sophisticated equipment and by rationing care: The United States has three times as many MRI units and CT scanners per million people as Canada, and 77 percent more gynecologists and obstetricians per million women.


No wonder so many Canadians come to the U.S. for their medical needs.
  
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Re: Canada's Healthcare System
Reply #1 - Jun 28th, 2018 at 1:01pm
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Lips SealedRubyHypatia wrote on Jun 28th, 2018 at 10:22am:
From the book I'm reading, The Libertarian Mind:


Holy shit!  And I thought it was bad last year when it took me two weeks to get in to see a gastroenterologist. 


No wonder so many Canadians come to the U.S. for their medical needs.


Great discussion you've started Ruby!

Just go back to the beginning and check your facts. You may find that it's all lies being promoted by US interests in order to uphold the US's terrible health care system?

Stay with me on this Ruby. This could finally be an attempt by Americans to face the sad facts of their case?

And for others who have the courage to join in with Ruby:

If what Ruby says is true then wouldn't we expect that Canada's medical outcome statistics would be much worse than that in the US?

What's wrong with that picture?  Shocked
  

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Reply #2 - Jun 28th, 2018 at 1:18pm
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Canada has outrageously long E.R. waiting times too...sometimes up to 36 hours!!  Shocked.  Probably because most Canadians are using the E.R. for general health care instead of waiting 9 weeks to see a GP.
https://www.cihi.ca/en/emergency-department-wait-times-in-canada-continuing-to-r...


"Canada ranks last among 11 OECD countries in a new survey in terms of how quickly people can get in to see their regular family physicians."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canadian-patients-wait-longest-to-see-family-docto...

"Canadians are reporting some of the longest wait times for medical help compared to 11 other countries.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3251833/canada-has-some-of-the-longest-wait-times-to-...

No wonder so many Canadians head south to the US for proper health care.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 28th, 2018 at 1:33pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 28th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
Canada has outrageously long E.R. waiting times too...sometimes up to 36 hours!!  Shocked.  Probably because most Canadians are using the E.R. for general health care instead of waiting 9 weeks to see a GP.
https://www.cihi.ca/en/emergency-department-wait-times-in-canada-continuing-to-r...


"Canada ranks last among 11 OECD countries in a new survey in terms of how quickly people can get in to see their regular family physicians."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canadian-patients-wait-longest-to-see-family-docto...

"Canadians are reporting some of the longest wait times for medical help compared to 11 other countries.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3251833/canada-has-some-of-the-longest-wait-times-to-...

No wonder so many Canadians head south to the US for proper health care.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/11/trumps-claim-abou...
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Of the 18,000 respondents to the 1996 Canadian National Population Health Survey, 90 people said they had received health care in the United States in the previous 12 months. Only 20 respondents said they traveled to the United States specifically to get that care.


And good for those 20 people. They used the US system next door to their advantage because they likely have hundreds of thousands of dollars to spare!

Can somebody check out how many Americans come to Canada to get affordable care they can't afford at home??

And dang! Then there's that pesky issue of health care outcomes in Canada being better than in the US. How could that be? Could it be that wait times don't play any significant part in outcome??

Welcome Chief! Ruby's been sitting and obsessing how she can get a few lickes in on me. As you are too obviously.

She picked the perfect topic, right?  Embarrassed
  

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Re: Canada's Healthcare System
Reply #4 - Jun 28th, 2018 at 1:34pm
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If what Ruby says is true then wouldn't we expect that Canada's medical outcome statistics would be much worse than that in the US?


And they would if Canadians didn't get to come to the U.S. for medical care.
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 28th, 2018 at 1:37pm
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One reason why a health care discussion can bring so much joy to a Canadian!

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/americans-flee-america-overseas-h...

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Meanwhile, about 250,000 Americans left the US for medical care abroad. And these numbers don’t even count the number of Americans who get their prescription drugs from overseas.


Another reason is that we can use US sources of information!  Embarrassed
  

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Reply #6 - Jun 28th, 2018 at 2:22pm
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Healthcare is more expensive in the U.S. than in other countries, so if your insurance doesn't cover the cost of a particular treatment, then it would be cheaper to get that treatment in another country.  So Americans going abroad are just trying to save money, Canadians coming here are saving their lives.
  
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If others are leaving their countries because the US has better care (including both quality of service and wait times)...

And if Americans who can't afford care in the US are leaving because care elsewhere is cheaper...

Then wouldn't the logical solution be to have both systems in one country?

I'm not implying it's right (it's not; only the free market is right) but everyone else seems to be having a debate about practicality so why not?

Free clinics for people who can't afford the free market, and the free market for those who can afford it. Stock the free clinics with medical school flunk outs and pay them minimum wage. These are not bad doctors, they're just not the very very best, which the AMA makes sure are the only ones to pass, protecting their industry's profits.

But if the poor can't afford the very best anyway, it doesn't hurt their profits to let them go to a free clinic stocked with medical school flunk outs. The quality of care will be similar to what it would be to go abroad, and both the student who spent his parents' life savings to be a doctor and didn't hit that top 10% of his class, and the poor person who otherwise would not get care, are helped.
  

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Reply #8 - Jun 28th, 2018 at 3:00pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 28th, 2018 at 2:29pm:
Then wouldn't the logical solution be to have both systems in one country?


Good question Oppo! Even though you came to several wrong conclusions on quality of health care. Primarily on the quality in the US being better. Clearly the US has far from the best, rated at 30th. in the world in fact. So let's not get silly about it Oppo.

Actually, all countries except the US have both systems. Citizens of all cuntries can travel to another country for health care. Some will go to the countries that have the world's best.

Can Americans travel to other countries to get better health care than they have at home? Wouldn't that make them traitors to the American way, the American system?

Oppo welcome to the discussion, but remember that it's a fool's game for youalls'.

Stay with it Oppo, the more Americans in this discussion, the more will be learning the facts.

Too bad burnsred isn't allowed himself to argue the points.  Sad
  

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Reply #9 - Jun 28th, 2018 at 3:24pm
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SicklersDink wrote on Jun 28th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Good question Oppo! Even though you came to several wrong conclusions on quality of health care. Primarily on the quality in the US being better.


It is better, or people wouldn't come here for health care.

It's better because medical students are sieved down to the very, very best, for the purpose of protecting the medical industry's profits.
  

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