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Reply #100 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:47pm
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SicklersDink wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:45pm:
But you can't go to court or go to jail for submitting to becoming someone's slave.

More likely you will be committed for treatment in a mental health facility.
  
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Reply #101 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:54pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:43pm:
All of our state constitutions grant state governments the power to tax.

Yet some states have no tax.  What do they know that we don't?

Why aren't the bad states (with taxes) on the phone asking the successful states asking how do they run government and maintain infrastructure without taxes?

The federal government could get some helpful pointers, as well!

States with no (income) Tax:

• Alaska
• Florida
• Nevada
• South Dakota
• Texas
• Washington
• Wyoming

  
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Reply #102 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 3:03pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:54pm:
Yet some states have no tax.  What do they know that we don't?

Why aren't the bad states (with taxes) on the phone asking the successful states asking how do they run government and maintain infrastructure without taxes?

The federal government could get some helpful pointers, as well!

States with no (income) Tax:

• Alaska
• Florida
• Nevada
• South Dakota
• Texas
• Washington
• Wyoming


They know of ways to raise revenue without taxing wages and salaries.

None of them are what you would call "progressive" states, Washington and Alaska excepted (and Alaska has all that oil revenue!).

As their governments become more "progressive", they will probably find a need to start taxing wages and salaries as "income".

Edit: In the meantime, the national government sends them "grants" of money that was raised by the federal "income" tax.
  
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Re: Voter ID laws
Reply #103 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 3:11pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
More likely you will be committed for treatment in a mental health facility.


No, I disagree. Granted it's not common but it certainly does happen and the catholic nuns are my example of it happenning publicly.

S & M is also legal as long as it remains within the bounds of what is legal. Submitting to be another person's slave is very real and perfectly legal.

It's not a joke and it's not a big issue for libertarians. But It's worth my effort to pursue the question because Dual Guy has disqualified himself from debating the point.

Just like burnsred did!

Hey, don't you miss burnred too?
  

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Reply #104 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 3:13pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 3:03pm:
[The states] know of ways to raise revenue without taxing wages and salaries.


THANK YOU, SIR!!!

If the states can do it, SO CAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

And it should. That's all I'm saying.
  
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Reply #105 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 3:20pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 3:13pm:
THANK YOU, SIR!!!

If the states can do it, SO CAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

And it should. That's all I'm saying.


You're trying to say a hell of a lot more than that.

But I hear your excitement in thinking that you have somebody else with you on getting rid of income tax!

What a moron.  Embarrassed
  

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Reply #106 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 4:54pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 3:13pm:
THANK YOU, SIR!!!

If the states can do it, SO CAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

And it should. That's all I'm saying.
And all I'm saying is that both the national and state governments should tax us legally.

States with no income tax have been filling up with retired people for decades. Eventually, that will destroy their budgets, which are mostly far out of balance now.

What will they do then? Let's wait and see...
  
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Reply #107 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 8:27pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 4:54pm:
States with no income tax have been filling up with retired people for decades. Eventually, that will destroy their budgets, which are mostly far out of balance now.

What will they do then? Let's wait and see...

Easy.

Adjust the indirect taxes to meet requirements.

This ain't rocket science...  just common-sense libertarian policy.
  
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Reply #108 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 3:25am
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 8:27pm:
Easy.

Adjust the indirect taxes to meet requirements.

This ain't rocket science...  just common-sense libertarian policy.

There are also cities that levy income taxes. That is 3 government levels of income tax. Is there any relationship between the  property tax or other state taxes and income tax rates. Do States that have no income tax have a higher rate of porperty tax on similarly valued properties.

Even if you are a renter, rental rates are higher to cover the property taxes for the owner, so the property tax is just passed on to you. All business and corporate taxes are just passed on to the consumer hidden in the cost of services or goods you buy.

Inflation is a hidden tax that really insidious.

How much of your tax dollar goes to pay interest on the national debt, which is money the government has borrowed in addition to the money it has taxed from you.

If the average family of 4 realized every tax, fee or license they pay, Income, property, school tax, gasoline tax, sales taxes added up to 50% of the family income they might think they worked for the government for 6 months of the year for free.

I think the question is not if taxes are too much or too high, but if you get your money's worth for your tax dollar. Do we have excellent public schools, excellent roads, bridges, sewage and water facilties,(infrastructure) and social programs? What value do you get for your tax dollar is the important question.
  
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Reply #109 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 7:18am
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 8:27pm:
Easy.

Adjust the indirect taxes to meet requirements.

This ain't rocket science...  just common-sense libertarian policy.
Just keep jacking up the sales tax while creating exceptions and exemptions so working people can still afford to live?
  
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