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When Hollywood Loved Trump
Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:09pm
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Re: When Hollywood Loved Trump
Reply #1 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:01pm
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Here's something worthwhile to fill some space on this thread Ruby. Otherwise, it's meaningless. You're asking for a commitment to Trump and libertarians don't want to have to express that openly:

So here's something a little more challenging for you:

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lIbertarianism as it stands in my opinion, doesn't represent rights and liberties for all. That's more than just my conjecture.

If if did then it would be identical to what socialism professes to believe in. (note I only said professes)

Socially responsible government isn't a political ideology. It's simply a statement of the ideal for government. Until you or any of the others are able to agree to that, you are just demonstrating a dogma that's being promoted by your own corrupt government.

It's entirely possible that the libertarian party will move to becoming the party that supports social responsibility.

But as it stands, it's very unlikely because of their ideas of demanding rights that infringe on the rights of the majority.

You know and believe that because you have expressed those ideals.

Let's get on with it! Maybe the new 'dual guy' is our hope? If he doesn't then I'll lose all future hope in him doing something useful on this forum.
  
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Re: When Hollywood Loved Trump
Reply #2 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:50pm
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First of all, I wasn't asking for anything.  Also, Dink, you have just demonstrated that you don't know what libertarianism is, or you're just purposely misrepresenting it. 

Please cite an example of libertarians demanding rights that infringe on other people's rights.  People who do that are not libertarians. 

Key Concepts of Libertarianism
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/key-concepts-libertarianism
  
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Re: When Hollywood Loved Trump
Reply #3 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 8:19pm
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It's entirely possible that the libertarian party will move to becoming the party that supports social responsibility.

No, it's not, Dink.

The Libertarian Party is what it is.  That means it ain't broke, and it don't need any fixin'.

Libertarian ideology is exactly the same as it was when the Party was formed in 1971.

The democratic and GOP Parties have changed quite a bit over the years, though.  They are now very much alike in that they both want a bigger/more powerful government, higher taxes, and they no longer care about fiscal responsibility.

The only Party that can fix the mess on the Hill is the Libertarian Party.   More and more libertarian candidates are being elected, so it's just a matter of time until we see a libertarian president.

Intervention into foreign affairs will stop, government will be scaled back to a manageable level, and taxes will drop to allow Americans to spend the money they earn on smarter things - no more redistribution.  And cronyism will come to a screeching halt.

The future looks bright for the Libertarian Party.   Cool
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 8:30pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 8:19pm:
No, it's not, Dink.


No, it's really not but I was being optimistic.

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The Libertarian Party is what it is.  That means it ain't broke, and it don't need any fixin'.


It's a fringe ideology that excludes people's rights who are mainstream. The huge majority. It's not going to gain from what it was in the last election.

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Libertarian ideology is exactly the same as it was when the Party was formed in 1971.


Probably. It's not learned a single thing that can increase it's appeal to normal people.

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The democratic and GOP Parties have changed quite a bit over the years, though.  They are now very much alike in that they both want a bigger/more powerful government, higher taxes, and they no longer care about fiscal responsibility.


Promote an alternative that has a chance. You're already too late for the coming election.

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The only Party that can fix the mess on the Hill is the Libertarian Party.


Sure, all 5% of their supporters.

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   More and more libertarian candidates are being elected, so it's just a matter of time until we see a libertarian president.


No, not really. Not even enough candidates to even have a shot at winning. About as much chance as the Marxist party.

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Intervention into foreign affairs will stop, government will be scaled back to a manageable level, and taxes will drop to allow Americans to spend the money they earn on smarter things - no more redistribution.  And cronyism will come to a screeching halt.


That's the full moon you see rising, not an apple pie.

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The future looks bright for the Libertarian Party.   Cool


It's just moonlight reflecting off of bat wings. In fact, it's never looked as bad for pseudo-libertarians. All 6 of you!
  
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Re: When Hollywood Loved Trump
Reply #5 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 10:46am
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It's a fringe ideology that excludes people's rights who are mainstream.


Again, either you're ignorant or purposely misrepresenting what it is to be a libertarian.  Libertarians believe their freedom ends where other people's freedom begins.  So no, we aren't into infringing upon other people's rights.
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 1:08pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 10:46am:
Again, either you're ignorant or purposely misrepresenting what it is to be a libertarian.  Libertarians believe their freedom ends where other people's freedom begins.  So no, we aren't into infringing upon other people's rights.


Pseudo-libertarians certainly do! I take that to mean that you believe your freedom is ended when other people demand their rights and freedoms. The two are not compatible of course.

libertarians have to come to understand that they can't demand rights that are exclusive of others. I'll get you some examples we can talk about.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 1:19pm
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Ruby, here's a short piec on negative and positive rights and how libertarians claim a distinction. Bring yourself up to speed on that issue and then pose your argument.

Or, if you like just ask one of the others to explain it to you and forumulate your talking points.

Obviously I would rather you try to do it yourself because you're more likely to learn that way. It requires some effort from you!

Others: Please allow Ruby to do this for herself. After I counter her argument is soon enough to join in and help her along. This would be best for her in bringing her into the 'real' libertarian fold.
  
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Re: When Hollywood Loved Trump
Reply #8 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 1:43pm
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Dink, I'd rather discuss libertarianism with someone who understands what it is.  Apparently that's not you.  Your words:

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It's entirely possible that the libertarian party will move to becoming the party that supports social responsibility.

But as it stands, it's very unlikely because of their ideas of demanding rights that infringe on the rights of the majority.


Either you're ignorant of libertarian principles or you purposely misrepresent them.  What rights have libertarians demanded that infringe on the rights of the majority?  Name one.
  
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Re: When Hollywood Loved Trump
Reply #9 - Jul 3rd, 2018 at 2:10pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 1:43pm:
Dink, I'd rather discuss libertarianism with someone who understands what it is.  Apparently that's not you.  Your words:


Either you're ignorant of libertarian principles or you purposely misrepresent them.  What rights have libertarians demanded that infringe on the rights of the majority?  Name one.


Don't you understand the words, 'socially responsible'? It's not a political ideology, it's a statement of what government should be. Get back to me when you understand that at least.

Would you like to learn something about Canada's 'socially responsible capitalist government?
  
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