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Abortion in the US.
Jul 4th, 2018 at 3:06pm
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Why has America turned it into such a political issue? Why is there no common ground to be found that is acceptable to both women and Christians?

Other countries appear to have found some common ground that is so far acceptable.

Is the reason why the US can't achieve that because it is more socially responsible.

There's little doubt in my opinion that not allowing abortion would be a social responsibility to be claimed by Christians.

And on the other hand, women's rights would be a social responsibility claimed by the other side.
  

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Reply #1 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 3:35pm
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I didn't put much effort into this one boss because I knew you had just gone off a half hour earlier and so I knew you wanted something to be able to ignore.
  

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Reply #2 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 5:05pm
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SicklersDink wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 3:06pm:
And on the other hand, women's rights would be a social responsibility claimed by the other side.
Men should have responsibility for women?

Is that really what you just said?

If I'm understanding you correctly, you think the decision to have an abortion should be solely up to the man?

I disagree.
  
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Jeff wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 5:05pm:
Men should have responsibility for women?

Is that really what you just said?

If I'm understanding you correctly, you think the decision to have an abortion should be solely up to the man?

I disagree.
You seem to be having trouble getting started Dork... How can I help you?
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 6:09pm
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Reply #5 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 6:58pm
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Pastor Jimmy wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 6:09pm:


As a 'real' libertarian I have to disgree with yourl link Pastor. Here's why.

1. A woman's right to choose is a positive right

Another person's right to prevent a woman from having an abortion is a negative right.

2. A Christian's right to save the life of a fetus can be seen as a positive right.

A Christian's claimed right to prevent a woman from having an abortion is a negative right.

This dictates that a libertarian must respect the right of the woman to choose. But it also dictates that the libertarian Christian has the right to protest against the aborting of a fetus.

In Canada the issue isn't totally resolved and it may be many years before the question is begged to be resolved. I think this is an attitude of respecting the rights of others.

The main resistance to abortion is centered around religious beliefs. In Canada the issue will be naturally resolved because of the fading popularity of religion. In the US, the people can't  wait that long as the believers are close to 50% still.

The courts would be wise to avoid the issue until it can be decided by the people without the influence of religioius superstitious beliefs.

My personal preference is to try to eliminate the need for a woman to have an abortion. That's the socially responsible position to take in my opinion. But once the need arises, the libertarian's position must be freedom of choice for women.

The need for abortion in the US could be practically eliminated if Americans would take the socially responsible position. Other countries are doing that and that attitude saves lives of fetuses. If Americans make that the goal then they could move on from the politics and asking their supreme court to interfere by making biased decisions.


  

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Reply #6 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 7:16pm
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SicklersDink wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
As a 'real' libertarian I have to disgree with yourl link Pastor. Here's why.

1. A woman's right to choose is a positive right


Is that the same as a natural right?

Do men somehow not possess the same right?

That would make it a natural right for women that was forbidden to men...

Are there other natural rights that are limited to one sex or the other?
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 7:31pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
Is that the same as a natural right?

Do men somehow not possess the same right?

That would make it a natural right for women that was forbidden to men...

Are there other natural rights that are limited to one sex or the other?


In situations in which the man is the husband or the partner of the woman involved, the man would have some rights that would need to be considered.

Maybe tomorrow before you 'go off' again, you might have some ideas on that?
  

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Reply #8 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 7:45pm
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SicklersDink wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 7:31pm:
In situations in which the man is the husband or the partner of the woman involved, the man would have some rights that would need to be considered.


Let's say the man is the father... are you saying some natural right exists for fathers?

It seems you want to say mothers have some natural right that fathers don't...
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 4th, 2018 at 7:53pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 7:45pm:
Let's say the man is the father... are you saying some natural right exists for fathers?

It seems you want to say mothers have some natural right that fathers don't...


Preferably not now boss. You've already gone off and your words aren't your real true feelings. Maybe tomorrow? I'll let you know.

See if you can get some attention from one of the others for now to make do.
  

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