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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #10 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 3:25pm
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Education sounds great, but young women drop out of high school and intentionally get pregnant so they can start collecting welfare... How do you educate against that? Especially if "leaders" are telling them that the "capitalist" deck is stacked against them and is also "racist" and they are going to schools so bad that almost none of the few people who graduate can read or write or do basic math?


They need to stop the welfare programs.  Of course that won't happen because then the media will say Republicans want black babies to starve.  If education was privatized, that would help, but of course Dems don't want that.  I would like to see being responsible with one sexuality being promoted.  The media won't go along with that either.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #11 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 3:32pm
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I said the same thing, I just said it differently. That was what I meant by people thinking the system they were dismantling was a useless restraint on freedom but actually served an important purpose.


Pre-marital sex wasn't uncommon before the sexual revolution.  Women just secretly had the babies and gave them up for adoption, had back alley abortions, or just suffered the stigma of being single mothers.  I just don't see that system of shaming people's sexuality as a good thing.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #12 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 4:41pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
They need to stop the welfare programs.  Of course that won't happen because then the media will say Republicans want black babies to starve.  If education was privatized, that would help, but of course Dems don't want that.  I would like to see being responsible with one sexuality being promoted.  The media won't go along with that either.
Which is your favorite sexuality?

You mean you want the government to "promote" it?

You know that will mean suppressing other sexualities don't you? Making them illegal?
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #13 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 4:42pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Pre-marital sex wasn't uncommon before the sexual revolution.  Women just secretly had the babies and gave them up for adoption, had back alley abortions, or just suffered the stigma of being single mothers.  I just don't see that system of shaming people's sexuality as a good thing.
Unless it's not your favorite sexuality?

Anyway, your saying nothing was changed by the sexual revolution? Really?
  
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Reply #14 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:36pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Pre-marital sex wasn't uncommon before the sexual revolution.  Women just secretly had the babies and gave them up for adoption, had back alley abortions, or just suffered the stigma of being single mothers.  I just don't see that system of shaming people's sexuality as a good thing.


It was the only thing that worked, unfortunately. You can't say in one breath that you want praise for being responsible but no shame for being irresponsible. They're two sides of the same coin. You can't have one without the other.

There's no proof that your choice was good if the person who chose the opposite didn't choose wrongly.

The person who chooses irresponsibility does so because he gets some immediate reward. If that does not later entail a penalty - if he's treated as just as good as the responsible person - he got the immediate benefit for free, which the responsible person forwent. In other words, the irresponsible person chose rightly. He got more out of his choice. Pure benefit; no drawback.

The shaming served as that penalty. And it sucks out loud for anyone to be treated like that, for any reason.

But it held society together.

I don't want no sexual revolution; I want a different revolution where people are ready to actually suffer for the poor choices they make. And yes, that means sometimes, babies will starve.

Humans aren't ready for that world yet. The way things are going, they never will be.
  

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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #15 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:37am
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 5:36pm:
I don't want no sexual revolution; I want a different revolution where people are ready to actually suffer for the poor choices they make. And yes, that means sometimes, babies will starve.

For the most part, babies starve in places where economic freedom is not allowed and governments control a nations economy.

In free societies, there are compassionate people (who are almost invariably more prosperous than people in controlled societies) who will donate their time and money to see that babies don't starve, even if (or maybe especially if?) the parents of the child are irresponsible.


  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #16 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:04am
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Which is your favorite sexuality?

You mean you want the government to "promote" it?

You know that will mean suppressing other sexualities don't you? Making them illegal?


Who said anything about different sexualities, Jeff?  Weird how you read something in my post that wasn't there.  And the only thing I said about government was that they should stop Welfare.
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:08am
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Anyway, your saying nothing was changed by the sexual revolution? Really?


I didn't say that either, Jeff.  I'm saying shaming didn't keep people from engaging in pre-marital sex.  Fat shaming has always been around and yet we now have an obesity epidemic.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #18 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 9:12am
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In free societies, there are compassionate people (who are almost invariably more prosperous than people in controlled societies) who will donate their time and money to see that babies don't starve, even if (or maybe especially if?) the parents of the child are irresponsible.


I don't think babies would starve either, Jeff.  There will always be charities willing to help.  And having to rely on charity would discourage more irresponsible baby making.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #19 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:47am
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Jeff wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:37am:
For the most part, babies starve in places where economic freedom is not allowed and governments control a nations economy.

In free societies, there are compassionate people (who are almost invariably more prosperous than people in controlled societies) who will donate their time and money to see that babies don't starve, even if (or maybe especially if?) the parents of the child are irresponsible.




In countries that practice 'socially responsible' capitalism boss, babies don't starve. Being socially responsible ensures that.

And it ensures a lot more too, such as ensuring 'all' the people are doing well. Homophobes disappear over time because nobody pays attention to them anymore.

Charity isn't relied upon to fulfill the needs of people who are in need. A government is elected by the people that has the welfare of the people as it's first priority.

It really does exist boss. It's not fully accepted in the happiest countries in the world yet, but it's likely going to be the standard of the 21st. century for which to strive.

So libertarians strive for that kind of high ideal? If they did then they would have something to offer the American people.

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