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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #60 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 7:53am
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I personally think the cause of individual liberty has gone downhill since women got the vote, but certainly can't make a connection.


You can't make that connection because it simply isn't true.  Women are more likely to vote for socialism.  Men are more likely to vote for war.  And war involves the taking of lives, even civillians, which is a much worse infringement on people's rights than taking their money through taxation.  So you cannot tell me how keeping women disempowered was ever a good thing, and neither can you name women conquerors who were on par with the men I listed.  And all those men I listed, they didn't need women encouraging them to engage in wars of conquest.  I'm not saying women can't make war, but war has always been a man thing.

Also, women being wives and mothers didn't mean they couldn't serve as elders, take part in politics.  The reason they weren't allowed to do so is simply because men selfishly kept that power for themselves.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #61 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 8:04am
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I watched that video on the boy crisis last night on YouTube and commented on it.  They were talking to a men's rights activist, and those guys like to blame feminism for this problem.  These guys never talk about deadbeat dads, how men are being irresponsible.  Nope, it's all feminism's fault according to them.  Sorry, not buying it.  You have these guys running around knocking women up, then not paying up, nor attempting to be dads to their kids, why are the men's rights activists not encouraging them to be responsible?
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #62 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:01pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 7:20am:
I personally think the cause of individual liberty has gone downhill since women got the vote, but certainly can't make a connection.


I can. Males mate with the females and then leave them to fend for themselves, so the females vote for welfare.

Arguably this isn't really the females' fault. Both parents should really have equal obligations to support a child they create in normal circumstances.

And Ruby's correct about males and females simply having different preferred sets of rights violations.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #63 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:47pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 7:53am:
I'm not saying women can't make war, but war has always been a man thing.

Also, women being wives and mothers didn't mean they couldn't serve as elders, take part in politics.  The reason they weren't allowed to do so is simply because men selfishly kept that power for themselves.
Yes, men being better warriors is a big reason why human societies were mostly paternalistic.

The biggest reason that women weren't given the vote for such a long time was that most of society believed that women were not suited by nature or temperament to be involved in politics, government, war or business, and it wasn't just the men of society who believed that. Women also believed that a woman's place was in the home. Many still do.

Blame men for whatever you want to, it was state legislatures composed almost entirely of men who ratified the 19th Amendment.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #64 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:51pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 8:04am:
I watched that video on the boy crisis last night on YouTube and commented on it.  They were talking to a men's rights activist, and those guys like to blame feminism for this problem.  These guys never talk about deadbeat dads, how men are being irresponsible.  Nope, it's all feminism's fault according to them.  Sorry, not buying it.  You have these guys running around knocking women up, then not paying up, nor attempting to be dads to their kids, why are the men's rights activists not encouraging them to be responsible?
Who knows? Maybe being an "activist" of any sort warps your brain... I think that's likely. (But it could go the other way, that having a warped brain leads people into "activism?)

The point of the video was that government has caused these problems.

Perhaps "men's rights" are similar to "women's rights" in that both sets of "rights" involve a right to not be responsible?

Wasn't the sexual revolution mainly about no-strings attached sex for everybody? Pleasure without obligation?
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #65 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:56pm
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And Ruby's correct about males and females simply having different preferred sets of rights violations.


When it comes to big govenment, men and women do have different preferences.  Women are more nurturing so they'll want poor people taken care of.  Men are more likely to be for war.  Again, people lose their lives in war, which is the ultimate violation of their rights.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #66 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:07pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 7:53am:
Women are more likely to vote for socialism. 
Are you saying then that giving women the vote led directly to our big brother welfare state?

In that case it would be justifiable to say that giving women the vote was detrimental to the cause of human liberty wouldn't it?
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #67 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:09pm
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Yes, men being better warriors is a big reason why human societies were mostly paternalistic.


Why should men being warriors keep women from being allowed to serve as an elder?

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The biggest reason that women weren't given the vote for such a long time was that most of society believed that women were not suited by nature or temperament to be involved in politics, government, war or business, and it wasn't just the men of society who believed that. Women also believed that a woman's place was in the home. Many still do.


People also believed blacks couldn't learn to read,  But just in case, it was made illegal for them to learn to read.  See how that works?  If you want to keep a group disempowered, claim they have limitations that make it impossible for them to be considered equal.

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Blame men for whatever you want to, it was state legislatures composed almost entirely of men who ratified the 19th Amendment.


Wait a minute, I'm supposed to be grateful to men for allowing me to have my natural rights?  I guess I should also be grateful to people who don't steal from me.  Jeff, women should have NEVER been deprived of their natural rights.  It was ridiculous that they had to risk their lives making more people, yet weren't allowed a voice in how society was run.  When one group is kept from power because of silly things like their race or gender, it's because those with the power are selfish.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #68 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:14pm
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I can. Males mate with the females and then leave them to fend for themselves, so the females vote for welfare.

Arguably this isn't really the females' fault. Both parents should really have equal obligations to support a child they create in normal circumstances.


Yep.  Both parents got their genes into their offspring, what men and women are driven to do, so it's the responsibility of both the mom and dad to support their offspring.  It should NOT be put on taxpayers.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #69 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:18pm
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Are you saying then that giving women the vote led directly to our big brother welfare state?

In that case it would be justifiable to say that giving women the vote was detrimental to the cause of human liberty wouldn't it?


Not nearly as much as men being pro-war has been detrimental to the cause of human liberty.  I'd rather have to pay more in taxes than to lose my life.
  
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