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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #70 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:22pm
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There were good and bad things about the sexual revolution.  Again, we don't need to go back to shaming people's sexuality, especially through religious bullshit, but we should promote responsibility and shame irresponsibility.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #71 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:29pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:09pm:
Why should men being warriors keep women from being allowed to serve as an elder?


Who says it did Ruby?

Some tribes in the Americas let women be in charge of everything unless there was a war or the women decided they needed some new slaves and loot and egged the men on to make a raid.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #72 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:02pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:09pm:
People also believed blacks couldn't learn to read,  But just in case, it was made illegal for them to learn to read.  See how that works?
It was not illegal for women to go into politics or government or business or to go to college. Trying to pretend women were treated like slaves or freed slaves is absurd.

Women could if they wanted to, do all of those things and did. Often other women disapproved, believing as they did that a woman's place was raising children and making a good home for her husband.

I know you imagine that was because of highly effective religious indoctrination, but that's just hooey.

Human children do best in families where their lives are fairly stable and they can be fed and cared for as needed. For most of human history, only women could feed babies. Babies take time to grow enough so that men can successfully care for them, and usually men don't want to. Men in general have no maternal instincts.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #73 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:05pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:09pm:
Wait a minute, I'm supposed to be grateful to men for allowing me to have my natural rights? 
I don't give a crap whether you are grateful or not, just recognize the fact. The agreement of a lot of white men resulted in you being allowed to vote.

Voting is not a natural right, as no governments exist in nature.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #74 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:13pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:18pm:
Not nearly as much as men being pro-war...
I'm tired of hearing this Ruby.

The American people opposed getting involved in WWI, and that was before women were allowed to vote, so the opposition that counted was assigned to mostly white men, and they mostly opposed going to war in Europe.

Woodrow Wilson and his government were pro war, not "men" in general.

Men make better warriors, and some warriors love war, but many do not and only make war because they feel a duty to home and country, family and community.

Men volunteered to go to war after Japan attacked us directly and the Nazis declared war on us, not because they loved war, but because they loved liberty and law and the rights of individuals.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #75 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:00pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 7:10am:
I keep seeing people on the right railing against the sexual revolution, blaming feminists, but was it a bad thing?
Was it a good thing?
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #76 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:33pm
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Some tribes in the Americas let women be in charge of everything unless there was a war or the women decided they needed some new slaves and loot and egged the men on to make a raid.


Prove women were behind men going on raids.  You really think the Vikings were raiding because their women demanded it?  You're just making stuff up.

  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #77 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:39pm
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It was not illegal for women to go into politics or government or business or to go to college. Trying to pretend women were treated like slaves or freed slaves is absurd.

Women could if they wanted to, do all of those things and did. Often other women disapproved, believing as they did that a woman's place was raising children and making a good home for her husband.

I know you imagine that was because of highly effective religious indoctrination, but that's just hooey.

Human children do best in families where their lives are fairly stable and they can be fed and cared for as needed. For most of human history, only women could feed babies. Babies take time to grow enough so that men can successfully care for them, and usually men don't want to. Men in general have no maternal instincts.


Women trying to go into politics, business, or higher education were met with great hostility because of patriarchy (supported by religion).  Patriarchy didn't allow women the FREEDOM to choose their own destinies.  And weird that you call yourself a, "libertarian" and are justifying it.
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #78 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:45pm
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I don't give a crap whether you are grateful or not, just recognize the fact. The agreement of a lot of white men resulted in you being allowed to vote.


The agreement of a lot of men led to the oppression of women.  Still does in other parts of the world today.

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Voting is not a natural right, as no governments exist in nature.


Equality is a natural right.  So if men are allowed to vote, women should be allowed to vote.  Women contribute just as much to humanity as men do, so why should women be second class citizens?
  
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Re: Was the Sexual Revolution a Bad Thing?
Reply #79 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:47pm
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I'm tired of hearing this Ruby.

The American people opposed getting involved in WWI, and that was before women were allowed to vote, so the opposition that counted was assigned to mostly white men, and they mostly opposed going to war in Europe.

Woodrow Wilson and his government were pro war, not "men" in general.

Men make better warriors, and some warriors love war, but many do not and only make war because they feel a duty to home and country, family and community.

Men volunteered to go to war after Japan attacked us directly and the Nazis declared war on us, not because they loved war, but because they loved liberty and law and the rights of individuals.


This doesn't change the fact that men are more pro-war than women are.
  
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