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Re: Isolationism and anti-Globalism - There's A Difference
Reply #10 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:47pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
IMO, no.  Democratic Socialism relies heavily on an omnipotent government. It's an ideology that asserts government can make better decisions than individuals.  The individual is only regarded as a unit part of the collective.

Which, of course, is exactly opposite of what libertarians believe.

Well yeah, but you were contrasting democratic socialism with modern style crony capitalism... Neither of which have anything to do with libertarian ideas.
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:21pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:47pm:
Well yeah, but you were contrasting democratic socialism with modern style crony capitalism... Neither of which have anything to do with libertarian ideas.


The thread is about trying to find a distinction between globalism and isolationism. It was started without any forethought to shit it could stir up.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:23pm
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The thread is about trying to find a distinction between anti-globalism and isolationism. It was started without any forethought to shit it could stir up for the Chief.

This one smacks him down nearly as bad as the one on Tucker Carlson!


  
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Reply #13 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:34pm
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The thread is about trying to find a distinction between globalism and isolationism. It was started without any forethought to shit it could stir up.
OK, let's talk about that.

Some people think its a good idea to be isolated politically, not to form entangling alliances that will draw us into foreign wars, while at the same time believing that people should be free to trade with anyone they want to anywhere across the globe...

Would that make them global isolationists?
  
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Reply #14 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:50pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
OK, let's talk about that.

Some people think its a good idea to be isolated politically, not to form entangling alliances that will draw us into foreign wars, while at the same time believing that people should be free to trade with anyone they want to anywhere across the globe...

Would that make them global isolationists?


No! The US is free to trade with any country it chooses and to refuse to trade with others.

Is this your attempt to change the subject away from Trump's trade sanctions and into something to do with choosing in that way?

To the topic: Are you  saying that this is not Trump's isolationism but is anti=globalism?

Did I read you right in saying that you're drawing away from China in an effort to avoid a foreign war?
  
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Reply #15 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:58pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
Some people think its a good idea to be isolated politically, not to form entangling alliances that will draw us into foreign wars, while at the same time believing that people should be free to trade with anyone they want to anywhere across the globe...

Exactly.

"Our Founders never intended for Americans to trust their government. Our entire Constitution was predicated on the notion that government was a necessary evil to be restrained and minimized as much as possible." - Rand Paul
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:16pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:33pm:
I've always known you to advocate killing everyone but you and thermie.

That would make you very isolated.

Edit: I know it's a complete waste of my time to ask, but, what do you mean by isolationism?


I'll just agree with what you said rather than put it in my own words and have you nitpick and troll whatever I say because it makes you feel good to do that to someone smarter than you.

And while I agree with your statement in theory, in practice it might be best not to include "bushels and boatloads of guns to dictators in Africa or the Middle East" in the right to trade with anyone across the globe.

I agree that all people have that right, I just don't think it would work out well for anyone to respect it. So it depends on what you're talking about. If you want objectively right, your statement is objectively correct. If you want what won't bring ruin in practice, then it might be best to limit what our arms wholesalers can do in foreign countries.
  

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Reply #17 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:31am
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:16pm:
I'll just agree with what you said rather than put it in my own words and have you nitpick and troll whatever I say because it makes you feel good to do that to someone smarter than you.

And while I agree with your statement in theory, in practice it might be best not to include "bushels and boatloads of guns to dictators in Africa or the Middle East" in the right to trade with anyone across the globe.

I agree that all people have that right, I just don't think it would work out well for anyone to respect it. So it depends on what you're talking about. If you want objectively right, your statement is objectively correct. If you want what won't bring ruin in practice, then it might be best to limit what our arms wholesalers can do in foreign countries.
What would that help?

http://www.businessinsider.com/top-countries-exporting-weapons-arms-sales-2018-3...
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:30am
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:16pm:
I'll just agree with what you said rather than put it in my own words and have you nitpick and troll whatever I say because it makes you feel good to do that to someone smarter than you.

And while I agree with your statement in theory, in practice it might be best not to include "bushels and boatloads of guns to dictators in Africa or the Middle East" in the right to trade with anyone across the globe.

I agree that all people have that right, I just don't think it would work out well for anyone to respect it. So it depends on what you're talking about. If you want objectively right, your statement is objectively correct. If you want what won't bring ruin in practice, then it might be best to limit what our arms wholesalers can do in foreign countries.


You're getting it right with my boss most of the time now Oppo. You'll find him to be quite sensible if you are able to not set him off.

But unfortunately you've burnt too many bridges with my boss now to ever get into his 'good books'. Too much voltarian crap and other childish bullshit.

I read some of what you say, at least until you go goofy with that kind of crap. Sometimes you make a good point too. But most of the time I stop reading because of your problem. Others likely do too.

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Reply #19 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:43pm
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You're getting it right with my boss most of the time now Oppo. You'll find him to be quite sensible if you are able to not set him off.

But unfortunately you've burnt too many bridges with my boss now to ever get into his 'good books'. Too much voltarian crap and other childish bullshit.

I read some of what you say, at least until you go goofy with that kind of crap. Sometimes you make a good point too. But most of the time I stop reading because of your problem. Others likely do too.

therm appreciates you.
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