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SicklersDink
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Re: Tucker Carlson Explains Democratic Socialism
Reply #10 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 6:55pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 2:45pm:
Carlson does an excellent job of pulling the curtain back and exposing what "Democratic Socialism" for what it truly is - communism masquerading as something a bit less cringeworthy.


How did Tucker do that? What did he say that would cause you to think that? Anything?

West opened with a statement and then a question on whether Trucker supported what he said and Tucker agreed that he did. (it would be interesting to know if Tucker really did agree, or he was just forced into saying he did)

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Democratic socialism wants government to seize control of corporations and abolish all profit(s).


No, but let's stick to the video that you've promoted here.

I think that what is happening is that Fox News is using Tucker Carlson as a fall guy because of how he's blown the whistle on the phoniness of some issues regarding Trump. That's why I say that of all the pieces you could have picked to play down socialism, you chose the worst. West was allowed to make several points and Tucker didn't get in any licks at all.

But you're going to tell me where and how he did, right?

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This is the very essence of communism.


Curious, if it is then Tucker got caught pants down agreeing with it.   

Kudos to DSA co-chair Olivia Katbi Smith for plainly stating that.

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It's interesting to note that millennials overwhelmingly favor democratic socialism because they are the ones who will benefit from re-distribution of wealth.  They really like the idea of "free" college and "free" health care.

But when they complete their "free" schooling and get their degrees, and start pulling in six-figure salaries, the government will take a sizable chunk of their earnings.  At this point the millennials become much less enthusiastic about democratic socialism.

Let's be honest.  They will come to hate it, and will probably turn libertarian.


When those millenials who come to be making 6 figures, they will definitely hate a system that collects income tax. They likely won't become libertarians but they will probably lobby hard for lower income taxes for people earning 6 figures.
  
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Re: Tucker Carlson Explains Democratic Socialism
Reply #11 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:27pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 5:59pm:
This is wonderful news!   This will guarantee a second term for Trump.  I'll bet Kaz is already celebrating!    Grin
You think she'll get the nomination if she wants it? Cheesy
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:38pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
You think she'll get the nomination if she wants it? Cheesy


What are you afraid of boss? The chief picked himself a real loser with this one, in which Tucker agreed with everything West said. If you haven't watched the video then do so and see if you can rescue the chief asshole?

Tucker Carlson and Fox News are involved in some pretty suspicious business of late. Tucker has done some pretty serious damage to the Fox News agenda. What's that all about boss? Any ideas?
  
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Re: Tucker Carlson Explains Democratic Socialism
Reply #13 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:42pm
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I think that this interview with West wasn't Tucker's choice to have. It was set up for him by the Fox News boss he answers to.

If Fox wants to, they can use this total loser on Tucker.

Remember, neither Maddow or Tucker or the recently deceased Ed Shultz are talking for themselves. They get paid very big bucks to say the right thing for their meal ticket.

I think Tucker has gone bad in the same way some of the others have gone bad.
  
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Re: Tucker Carlson Explains Democratic Socialism
Reply #14 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 10:25pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 8th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
You think she'll get the nomination if she wants it? Cheesy

NO. 

They [the DNC] may be crazy, but they're not stupid.

The DNC will run a moderate  - it's their only hope.  They will still lose, though. 

When Trump wins a Nobel Peace Prize, he will have earned it.  Obviously, it was just a gift to Prez #0044, who did nothing to earn it..  (most) Americans fully understand the difference, and they know why.

  
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Re: Tucker Carlson Explains Democratic Socialism
Reply #15 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:22pm
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West said: Socialism is about the fundamental commitment to the dignity of ordinary people to make sure they can live lives of decency.

And Tucker agreed.

Then Tucker said that current systems make it hard for people to have dignity.

And of course Kanye West agreed.

What does all this mean? Did Tucker just completely sell out to the socialist cause?

If Tucker scored any points for US style capitalism, as opposed to promoting socially responsible capitalism, I would sure like to know when it happened in that video. Tucker Carlson has likely been turned, and it's a result of Trump.

Yup Chief, you sure did pick a winner for yourself!
  
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Re: Tucker Carlson Explains Democratic Socialism
Reply #16 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 11:48pm
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West said: Socialism is about the fundamental commitment to the dignity of ordinary people to make sure they can live lives of decency.

And Tucker agreed.

Then Tucker said that current systems make it hard for people to have dignity.

And of course Kanye West agreed.

What does all this mean? Did Tucker just completely sell out to the socialist cause?


No. He just showed us the lipstick on your (socialist) pig.
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Re: Tucker Carlson Explains Democratic Socialism
Reply #17 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:42am
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West said: Socialism is about the fundamental commitment to the dignity of ordinary people to make sure they can live lives of decency.

And Tucker agreed.

Then Tucker said that current systems make it hard for people to have dignity.

And of course Kanye West agreed.

What does all this mean? Did Tucker just completely sell out to the socialist cause?

If Tucker scored any points for US style capitalism...

Most libertarians agree with the goals that socialism claims to have, they just understand that the methods necessary to try to achieve socialism are bad tending to evil, have horrible unintended consequences, and that the end plan is unachievable as long as humans are involved.

Most libertarians also believe in free markets, not in crony capitalism no matter which government is promoting it.

I hope that makes it somewhat more clear for you.
  
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Re: Tucker Carlson Explains Democratic Socialism
Reply #18 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 8:38am
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How many times can Hillary stand getting her ass kicked?

Trump winning a Nobel Peace Prize?  The Nobel committee won't go for that.  They're lefties who were enraptured by Obama.
  
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Re: Tucker Carlson Explains Democratic Socialism
Reply #19 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:10am
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Jeff wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 6:42am:
Most libertarians agree with the goals that socialism claims to have, they just understand that the methods necessary to try to achieve socialism are bad tending to evil, have horrible unintended consequences, and that the end plan is unachievable as long as humans are involved.


What pseudo-libertarians think boss is not what Tucker was thinking. Hardly anybody thinks the way p-l's think. You sure don't.

But you watched the vid and you saw that it was a mess for Tucker. He only pretended to agree with the statements West made because he couldn't very well be against motherhood issues. (hoping you understand what that means?)

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Most libertarians also believe in free markets, not in crony capitalism no matter which government is promoting it.


I think they like to pretend that's what they believe. On this forum they've stooped to the lowest on too many issues.

The big libertarian issue that was mentioned was open borders. That was something that both West and Tucker agreed was ridiculous.

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I hope that makes it somewhat more clear for you.


I found it delightfully clear yesterday when I watched the video. Tucker handled it very badly. West came prepared with answers for all the standard comments he knew would be brought up.

Will Fox News benefit from it. Probably, because West is a black man and the support expected will be from whites with a racism problem. Politics aside.
  
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