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Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:38pm
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https://news.antiwar.com/2018/07/08/nato-fears-trump-may-threaten-to-pull-troops...

Really? And now the big question: Doe Europe care?  Can Trump use this threat as pressure to get Europe paying more into Nato?
  

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Re: Trump May Pull US Troops From Europe?
Reply #1 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:13pm
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Here's Raimondo's, the libertarian's take on the proceedings. As if any p-l's would give a shit.

https://original.antiwar.com/justin/2018/07/08/from-singapore-to-helsinki-the-ca...

Some people at antiwar.com still actually believe this ass!
  

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Re: Trump May Pull US Troops From Europe?
Reply #2 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:21pm
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SicklersDink wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
Here's Raimondo's, the libertarian's take on the proceedings. As if any p-l's would give a shit.

https://original.antiwar.com/justin/2018/07/08/from-singapore-to-helsinki-the-ca...

Some people at antiwar.com still actually believe this ass!

Good article. Thanks for sharing it.   Smiley

Raimondo sums it up well:

The opposition to the Helsinki summit isn’t just partisan noise – it’s a criminal act, a crime against humanity, and ought to be treated as such by the American people...

The same goes for critics of the Singapore summit, who deny the Korean people any agency and are energetically trying to sabotage the peace talks.
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:32pm
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Raimondo: Quote:
The Helsinki summit is a chance to make the most important diplomatic breakthrough on nuclear arms since the Reagan era. The US has been backtracking, withdrawing from essential agreements to limit nukes in Europe, with NATO troops advancing up to the very gates of Moscow in a provocative show of force deemed to be “exercises.” After years of trying to defuse tensions, the Russians finally responded in kind by (supposedly) developing a new line of deadly nukes aimed at American cities.


Maybe it will stimulate some conversation?

Not the part of Raimondo's spiel that has a lot to do with the topic of this thread, but at least a start if my boss sees it.
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:56pm
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SicklersDink wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:32pm:
Raimondo:
Maybe it will stimulate some conversation?

Not the part of Raimondo's spiel that has a lot to do with the topic of this thread, but at least a start if my boss sees it.

Let's hope he does.  This stuff interests me a lot.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 2:14pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:56pm:
Let's hope he does.  This stuff interests me a lot.


That's because you're simple minded and you don't understand that the US needs Nato and no other country does.

And your fukked up corrupt government would 'off' Trump before they would ever let him dick around with Nato.

I told you to get over your hurt feelings. You can't think straight until you do that.
  

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Reply #6 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 3:19pm
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SicklersDink wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 2:14pm:
That's because you're simple minded and you don't understand that the US needs Nato and no other country does.

I've repeatedly stated that the US should get out of NATO because the other [NATO] countries don't really benefit by US participation.  It actually hurts them.  The US makes all the decisions concerning NATO ops.  This takes away power from the other NATO countries. They'd be much better off without all the US meddling.

You're frustration is understandable, though. 
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:39pm
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"The Helsinki summit is a chance to make the most important diplomatic breakthrough on nuclear arms since the Reagan era. The US has been backtracking, withdrawing from essential agreements to limit nukes in Europe."

Raimondo

Why should the U.S. be involved in nukes in Europe?
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:58pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:39pm:
"The Helsinki summit is a chance to make the most important diplomatic breakthrough on nuclear arms since the Reagan era. The US has been backtracking, withdrawing from essential agreements to limit nukes in Europe."

Raimondo

Why should the U.S. be involved in nukes in Europe?

The Helsinki summit is an opportunity to reduce the proliferation of nukes in Europe, and would decrease the likelihood of some misstep by one of the Cold War interests. 

Yes, I said it.  Cold War.  It's back. Only now the stakes are much higher because of developments in computer technology.  War-making is now algorithm-based.

Remember the the disaster of algorithm-based short-sale stock trading?  They had to ban it because the market could spiral out-of-control in a matter of minutes. And it did a couple of times. 

Same thing with nukes.

Democrat and Republican warhawks are scared to death that Trump might make some headway in de-proliferation talks with Putin.
  
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Re: Trump May Pull US Troops From Europe?
Reply #9 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 7:26pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
The Helsinki summit is an opportunity to reduce the proliferation of nukes in Europe, and would decrease the likelihood of some misstep by one of the Cold War interests. 

Yes, I said it.  Cold War.  It's back. Only now the stakes are much higher because of developments in computer technology.  War-making is now algorithm-based.

Remember the the disaster of algorithm-based short-sale stock trading?  They had to ban it because the market could spiral out-of-control in a matter of minutes. And it did a couple of times. 

Same thing with nukes.

Democrat and Republican warhawks are scared to death that Trump might make some headway in de-proliferation talks with Putin.


Well I can tell you right now Chief that the D's and the R's have no need to be scared. Trump is not going to make any peaceful progress with Putin.

Obama already did that and look what it got him on the Syria question.

Peace!

And one hell of a lot of problems for the US to keep the war going without being too obvious.

Me and you for peace Chief. fu-- Trump!
  

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