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The Case for Nationalist Libertarianism
Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:53am
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Libertarians have, the best principles of any political platform. It hails back to the Roman Republic in its concepts for true Liberalism. Having a Liberal mindset, willing to listen to everyone, and let all arguements occur until the ones that are most true remain.

Even then, developing inferior ideas and concepts, to their most perfect forms, to strengthen whatever issue it is focused on. This concept is lost to the Democrat Party. It has become a bastion of Marxism, but a dull version of it. At least Marx had a populist flavor!

This leaves Amercans going to the other strong party, the Republican Party. They are no great bastion of Liberality, they have only gained this perception from the abandonment of the Democrats!

This leaves one other heir - The National Libertarian Party. The only problem that it has, is it lacks a spine. We talk all day for what we are opposed to. But the average American cannot see an overarching view, a sample, as it were, of what an America run by us would look like.

I look back to the Roman Republic. Oh what great arts, what glory. The most brilliant of minds, philosophers, men delving into the deepest reaches of ourselves, helping understand, the earliest conceptions of who we are.

We can show Americans, what we are, and what we can become. Nationalism is something that every country was required to use in order to function. It was trying to have the best Trade Deals for your country. It was having Borders that were absolute. It also was putting your country in the most favorable position amongst others.

These policies were very much active during the Industrial Revolution, and with their repeal, ended it. We had Protective Tariffs in place in the 1800s with them being a political issue. They were used to fund the federal government and protect local business.

Significant Tariffs stayed in place until the implementation of the Income tax. With the new tax feeding the Federal Government, tariffs were no longer needed to fund it, so they were made into a laughing stock of their former selves. This fueled the growth of other economies since the days of Woodrow Wilson, some being China and Mexico. China in some years, have seen GDP growth as high as 10% and more in single years.

The more money that is in our economy, the more markets there are. Why are we building other peoples countries? Shouldn't the American aid his fellow countrymen alone? Is this the product of lobbyists for foreign powers?

Tariffs are something that shouldn't just be a threat to a foreign power, it should be a necessity for a true American system. I see it immoral, to have Tariffs as low as 3%. What a betrayal of the American worker! In the name of giving him a cheaper TV, he got his job taken away.

This must be a foundational issue for us to push. We must be the party of The Rust Belt. America was built by factory work, and it can only be continuing forward. The only reason machines are doing the work locally in some cases is because the companies can't afford to compete with China and Mexico with human workers. This must change.

It is our responsibility as governors of the nationstate to allow the environment of which economic growth is possible. We don't control the market, we are simply to allow it to exist. Who would we be as legislators, to impede the progression of the markets?

The true power of America is shown through it's economy, and it has been hurting. We must answer the call that the Republicans and Democrats consciously ignore. We must reinstitute the tariffs. We must be the party of the American worker, and bring this country into a new age of prosperity.

Investing in higher technologies, looking to space, advancing infrastructure and architecture, eliminating 90% of entitlements. Teaching Pragmatism in schools, with it being an American creation! Picture schools teaching concepts of usable higher thought to youngsters and aspiring scholars! This is an America I believe in, and is what we can be, and must be, for the American voter.

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Reply #1 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:19am
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"But the average American cannot see an overarching view, a sample, as it were, of what an America run by us would look like."

How can you talk about libertarians "running" the country?

The libertarian idea is to control the government so that people and the societies they create, can be free.

This doesn't fit at all with that idea. These are not proper roles for government-

"Investing in higher technologies, looking to space, advancing infrastructure and architecture..."
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:39am
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There you go again, Jeff, being contradictory. The guy just means that it would be good if our politicians in Washington were libertarians.  I got that, but you read more into his post than what was there.
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:41am
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I look back to the Roman Republic. Oh what great arts, what glory. The most brilliant of minds, philosophers, men delving into the deepest reaches of ourselves, helping understand, the earliest conceptions of who we are.


Yes, that would be nice, minus the slavery and patriarchy.
  
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People are elected to the government. Although the word government implies control, we are a Republic, greatly inspired by the Roman Republic.

Our government by design will always have many seats, but government programs must be kept to a minimum. We as a society to progress forward, must look to the stars, and have a goal for the country.

Government I believe must be as small as possible. This is one of the reasons why I stress the teaching of the American made philosophy of Pragmatism. Concentrating on things that work and can be applied in a practical manner.

Holding the concept in our heads at all times, only feeding programs that bear fruit and results. Only creating programs with an end goal in sight. America is a glorious nation, and can be greater if it only embraces innovation and discovery.

Our best days are ahead of us, and that is all I want. Nationalism, is the spine that we need, and it is what Gary Johnson lacked.
  

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Reply #5 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:47am
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:44am:
We as a society to progress forward, must look to the stars, and have a goal for the country.

Having national "goals" is un-libertarian.

Individuals have their own goals.

"Progressing Forward" was Hillary's campaign slogan wasn't it?
  
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:44am:
This is one of the reasons why I stress the teaching of the American made philosophy of Pragmatism. Concentrating on things that work and can be applied in a practical manner.

Holding the concept in our heads at all times, only feeding programs that bear fruit and results. Only creating programs with an end goal in sight.
Who decides what is practical and will "bear fruit"? Who's money will be used to "feed" these programs?  Who gets to decide what the "end goal" is?

You are talking about some sort of Nationalist Central Government 'leading' America to whatever goals the government might have...


  
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Jeff wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 8:53am:
Who decides what is practical and will "bear fruit"? Who's money will be used to "feed" these programs?  Who gets to decide what the "end goal" is?

You are talking about some sort of Nationalist Central Government 'leading' America to whatever goals the government might have...



The constitution is pretty definitive of what we stand for. Nothing is more stubborn, nor resilient, than the truth. The more its challenged, the more its tempered, the stronger it becomes. We all as Americans agree on how the government works, and abide by the law. The direction of the country, is chosen by the majority of a Party, which is selected by the American people. America can be greater than ever before, and that's what I want.
  

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Reply #8 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 9:10am
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Andrew, Jeff is just going to make you feel like banging your head against a wall.
  
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Re: The Case for Nationalist Libertarianism
Reply #9 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:31am
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 6:53am:
Significant Tariffs stayed in place until the implementation of the Income tax. With the new tax feeding the Federal Government, tariffs were no longer needed to fund it, so they were made into a laughing stock of their former selves...
The more money that is in our economy, the more markets there are. Why are we building other peoples countries? Shouldn't the American aid his fellow countrymen alone? Is this the product of lobbyists for foreign powers?

Forever Liberty!

Welcome to the forum Andrew.

You have a clear understanding of why Income Taxes are bad, and should be eliminated.  And you understand why Thomas Jefferson said:

"Let our affairs be disentangled from those of all other nations, except as to commerce."


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Our best days are ahead of us, and that is all I want. Nationalism, is the spine that we need, and it is what Gary Johnson lacked.


"I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."  - Thomas Jefferson
  
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