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Re: The Case for Nationalist Libertarianism
Reply #170 - Aug 6th, 2018 at 1:56pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 7:37am:
With tax money.

You can't seem to get the point that the ideals of libertarians can't exist as practical realities without realizing that the world and the people in it are imperfect. Taxation to provide police and courts and jails is necessary to allow people to be free in a civilized society. Taxes for police are a generally agreed upon "aggression", a concession made in order to protect people's lives and liberty and property from criminals.


Then why do you argue against taxation when it suits you?

Jeff wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
You're a complete idiot. Not my problem. Please don't ask the government to steal from me on your behalf.
  

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Not taking Jeff seriously until he admits this is animal abuse (which he says should be illegal): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE-IT7_CaE4
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Re: The Case for Nationalist Libertarianism
Reply #171 - Aug 6th, 2018 at 4:55pm
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 1:56pm:
Then why do you argue against taxation when it suits you?

I recognize taxation as a necessary evil that must be strictly controlled because it is so dangerous to liberty.

I argue against uncontrolled taxation.

Edit: It goes along with arguing against uncontrolled government being the entity that is levying the uncontrolled taxes. It keeps spiraling downward...
  
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Reply #172 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 11:14pm
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 6:32pm:
You will, in practice. When private security companies replace the police, and don't cover everyone, non-covered people will be effectively legal to steal from and assault.

You basically want to turn the world into public school, with the rich golden, and their rights protected, and everyone else effectively not having any. Without taxes, which you say are aggression, this is the way it has to work.


The privatization of these State Government departments is always great conversation. People would be amazed by "spontaneous order" in the functionality of these divisions run privately.
  

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Re: The Case for Nationalist Libertarianism
Reply #173 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:33am
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 11:14pm:
The privatization of these State Government departments is always great conversation. People would be amazed by "spontaneous order" in the functionality of these divisions run privately.
We already have a good idea how the "spontaneous order" might work in the Treasury Dept. by looking at the Federal Reserve Bank, and I know how "spontaneous order" works in communities where there are no police or courts- people take the law into their own hands (which doesn't always work out well) until they decide that it would be better to hire a sheriff and a judge to enforce the law.
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Reply #174 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:10pm
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Keep on with your sane replies to the insane boss. Eventually they will have to come around to our way of thinking on taxation.

They're already down to whimpers of illogical protest due to nothing but stubbornness.

It seems they've all taken a losing position on what libertarianism must be and so they're running down a dead end street. Those such as the Chief admit there's no political future for the LP the way it is currently. "WE" will change that!
  
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Reply #175 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 3:33pm
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It seems they've all taken a losing position on what libertarianism must be and so they're running down a dead end street.

Libertarian principles haven't changed a bit since 1971.  They're fine as they are, so they won't be changed or updated.

I think you should look to the Green Party, Dink. They favor heavy taxation on corporations, and they advocate redistribution of wealth by taxation.   These are exactly the "socialist responsible" things that you've been clamoring for.

Libertarians will always oppose progressive Income Tax and Wealth redistribution.  We always will, Dink.  You'll become very frustrated if you try to convince libertarians that Income Tax and Wealth redistribution are a good thing.  That's a fool's errand.

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Those such as the Chief admit there's no political future for the LP the way it is currently. "WE" will change that!

There wont be any changes in libertarian platform, Dink.

Are you talking about changes in the leadership of the LP?  If so, I would agree.  The old-guard LP leaders need some new blood!   Smiley
  
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Reply #176 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 3:45pm
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Everybody has abandoned your POV chief. You're isolated now.

I wish I could take complete credit for it happening but in truth it was well in progress before I ever found this forum.

You simply don't have a single member of this forum who is willing to support your antiquated views.

I can play you during the slow times and just ignore you when something worth talking about comes up.

And you can post your laughing man/woman to get even!  Embarrassed
  
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Re: The Case for Nationalist Libertarianism
Reply #177 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 4:52pm
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Everybody has abandoned your POV chief. You're isolated now.

I wish I could take complete credit for it happening but in truth it was well in progress before I ever found this forum.

You simply don't have a single member of this forum who is willing to support your antiquated views.

I can play you during the slow times and just ignore you when something worth talking about comes up.

And you can post your laughing man/woman to get even!  Embarrassed
Does this mean you have no answer to the Chiefs assertions?

You give up?

You are such a Thingy.
  
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Re: The Case for Nationalist Libertarianism
Reply #178 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:22pm
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Everybody has abandoned your POV chief. You're isolated now.

I wish I could take complete credit for it happening but in truth it was well in progress before I ever found this forum.

You simply don't have a single member of this forum who is willing to support your antiquated views.

I can play you during the slow times and just ignore you when something worth talking about comes up.

You're profoundly delusional, Dink.  Which is good - you're more useful to me this way. 

You're trying to fix what ain't broke.   A fool's errand.

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And you can post your laughing man/woman to get even!  Embarrassed

Iv'e told you before,Dink, if you want a laughing-man/woman reward, you have to post something funny.

Something like this:

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Every regulation will be looked at closely and will be replaced with stronger regulations that have real teeth. This is libertarianism of the future.

I almost peed my pants I laughed so hard!!!    Smiley
  
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Re: The Case for Nationalist Libertarianism
Reply #179 - Aug 10th, 2018 at 2:11pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:22pm:
I almost peed my pants I laughed so hard!!!


Stronger regulations are the libertarianism of the future? Hmm.

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Absolutely I'm a libertarian.


...then I am a Vulcan.

If Don is a libertarian, then I am a Vulcan.

This is not a childish statement. This is not a false statement. This is an if-then statement, and one which is absolutely true.
  

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