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Reply #220 - Aug 20th, 2018 at 6:25am
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Aug 19th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
The income tax must be eliminated!
You want to remove the power to tax profits from the use/investment of property? No taxes on profits from businesses or corporations or giant hedge funds?

No taxes on wages and salaries either, even if those taxes are apportioned?

An apportioned tax on wages and salaries would take far less money from working people than a national VAT/sales tax.

As for taxes on profits, if they are uniform, they will also be low, because people who are profiting from the use of their property have political power.


  
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Reply #221 - Aug 25th, 2018 at 4:11am
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The Libertarian party with Nationalism, is the perfect match, and it has been what we have been lacking. When Trump is no longer in office, there will be no one representing Nationalist desires on Trade for the Rust Belt and other parts of America, this is the perfect opening!
  

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Re: The Case for Nationalist Libertarianism
Reply #222 - Aug 25th, 2018 at 7:38am
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Aug 25th, 2018 at 4:11am:
The Libertarian party with Nationalism, is the perfect match, and it has been what we have been lacking. When Trump is no longer in office, there will be no one representing Nationalist desires on Trade for the Rust Belt and other parts of America, this is the perfect opening!
Nationalism assumes that you have a government that will "lead" the country and the economy in ways that will benefit "the Nation".

Economic theories preferred by libertarians all say that governments "leading" economies helps only the government and it's cronies and have widespread bad effects on society in general.

What's your favorite Nationalist government of all time?
  
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Reply #223 - Sep 15th, 2018 at 4:30am
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Jeff wrote on Aug 25th, 2018 at 7:38am:
Nationalism assumes that you have a government that will "lead" the country and the economy in ways that will benefit "the Nation".

Economic theories preferred by libertarians all say that governments "leading" economies helps only the government and it's cronies and have widespread bad effects on society in general.

What's your favorite Nationalist government of all time?


Well America of course! It ran a revolution against Britain, the world superpower at the time. That's like Mexico beating America in a skirmish! The idea was ridiculous at the time. The founders were very protective of America, and ran tight borders, high tariffs, and always put their country first.

The idea of Nationalist Libertarianism isn't leading America forward with brick and mortar per say, but with a patriotic outlook and constitutionalism. Constitutionalism used to be required reading in schools, now they're being taught Marxism.

I see it as a return to the founders execution of policy.
  

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Reply #224 - Sep 15th, 2018 at 7:50am
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Sep 15th, 2018 at 4:30am:
Well America of course! It ran a revolution against Britain, the world superpower at the time. That's like Mexico beating America in a skirmish! The idea was ridiculous at the time. The founders were very protective of America, and ran tight borders, high tariffs, and always put their country first.

The idea of Nationalist Libertarianism isn't leading America forward with brick and mortar per say, but with a patriotic outlook and constitutionalism. Constitutionalism used to be required reading in schools, now they're being taught Marxism.

I see it as a return to the founders execution of policy.
I think you might be misconstruing the Founders as Nationalists. They were patriots interested in creating and preserving a nation that would protect individual liberty and rights.

They were human and didn't always agree on the right way to accomplish their goals, and they often implemented policies that were not perfectly consistent with their goals. The basic survival of the nation was frequently a consideration for quite a while, and there were disagreements on how to accomplish that goal, but general agreement that if America was conquered or disintegrated, a great engine of individual liberty would be destroyed.

I agree that children should be taught the foundational ideas of America, and also the mistakes that were made along the way. That might not make them into Patriots, but it will probably help prevent them from becoming nationalists.

Maybe you disagree, but I see nationalism as placing the government of a nation first, and seeing the people of a nation as merely means that can be used to achieve the government's goals.
  
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