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Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:31pm
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Why do other countries spend much less on state-sponsored healthcare and even have longer lifespans than we do?
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:46pm
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Americans are generally terrible about having poor lifestyle habits.  Medicine can only do so much to counteract that.
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:58pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
Why do other countries spend much less on state-sponsored healthcare and even have longer lifespans than we do?


You seem to be suggesting 'medical outcomes'?

That has an indirect link to healthcare spending, but only indirect.
So, spending more money doesn't produce worse outcomes.

The US spends nearly twice as much as Canada on healthcare and has worse medical outcome than Canada.

I'll not jump in yet and so give Americans a chance to voice some opinions. All I'm volunteering is the facts I've given.
  
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fwiw, I'll present an argument I've been subjected to that argues for the pro-American side of the debate.

The excuse I was given was based on US poverty rates, as opposed to other countries with better and cheaper healthcare and far better medical outcomes.

Small consolation that is, to an American.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:23pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
Why do other countries spend much less on state-sponsored healthcare and even have longer lifespans than we do?
Diet, exercise and genetics play a huge role.

Their taxpayer funded medical care systems are also more sensible and better constructed than the ACA.

This was Obama's plan (actually the plan of his handlers) that they would pass a health insurance and medical care law that was so bad that single payer bureaucrat run insurance and health care would look good by comparison.

Compare a bureaucratically run system with a free market system, and single payer government bureaucrat  operated medical care looks like crap on the front porch.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 6:29pm
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Why do other countries spend much less on state-sponsored healthcare and even have longer lifespans than we do?


Why do other countries get to piggyback off of American healthcare?
  
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Jeff wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 4:23pm:
Diet, exercise and genetics play a huge role.

Their taxpayer funded medical care systems are also more sensible and better constructed than the ACA.

This was Obama's plan (actually the plan of his handlers) that they would pass a health insurance and medical care law that was so bad that single payer bureaucrat run insurance and health care would look good by comparison.

Compare a bureaucratically run system with a free market system, and single payer government bureaucrat  operated medical care looks like crap on the front porch.


Did you know that Obamacare has improved the US health care problem. The biggest reason for the US's low rating is access to health care.

But the WHO are commies and they lie to make America look bad. It seems to be working!

Love ya boss when you get within minutes of going off.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 8:21am
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Did you know that Obamacare has improved the US health care problem.
If by "improved the problem" you mean made it worse, that's true.

Here's a link to the introduction to a book that could teach you a lot Dong, but you won't even bother to read the introduction-

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/overcharged/overcharged-introductio...

Start reading on page 4 if you want to go right to the description of the various government created problems.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 9:24am
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Obamacare cause our premiums to skyrocket so much that we had to drop our insurance.  This happened right before a major medical crisis in our family which led to a $100,000 hospital bill we couldn't pay.  So please tell me again, Dink, how wonderful Obamacare is.
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 10:01am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Obamacare cause our premiums to skyrocket so much that we had to drop our insurance.  This happened right before a major medical crisis in our family which led to a $100,000 hospital bill we couldn't pay.  So please tell me again, Dink, how wonderful Obamacare is.


Ruby, let's rephrase the facts.  ACA took away your ability to have major medical coverage only, making those policies illegal.  You chose the option to have no insurance.  You then got a major medical event, which would have/may have been covered under your prior major medical, but was not covered under your "no insurance'.  But you could have purchased in insurance, and then your cost would have been covered.

Libertarians believe in choices.  I certainly understand that ACA took away the option you preferred.  And I certainly understand that it made insurance more expensive for you so you felt you had no choice, but that is also a factor of local conditions in your state.  In my state, a low cost plan is about $200 per month for each person.

In my business over five years, our health care costs have decreased about 10% overall; where prior to ACA it was going up about 8% per year.   So it might have been about 40% higher now than without ACA.  Right now I pay about $60k per year for everyone in the company so we are getting about $24k per year savings.

I hope your family member got better and that the Hospital got you a break on the bill.
  
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