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The US Should Withdraw From NATO
Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:44pm
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"We should not be in the business of pledging to send our brave soldiers to risk that last full measure of devotion to defend Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania from Russian aggression, or Croatia or Albania from Serbian attack. Their sole duty is to defend the citizens of the United States who pay their salaries and owe allegiance to the United States, which Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Croatians, and Albanians do not. For that reason among others, the United States should invoke Article 13 of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to withdraw.

Our NATO and post-NATO quest for Empire and global domination made a mockery of the bravery and sacrifices of Lexington and Concord in 1775. Our glory had previously been liberty, not world leadership."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-fein/the-united-states-should_b_11762584.ht...

Many were hopeful that Trump would announce the US withdrawal from NATO at the 2-day summit in Brussels.

But Trump said withdrawal was "unnecessary".

"We've had a very amazing two day period in Brussels, and we've really accomplished a lot with respect to NATO.  Progress has been made.  Everyone's agreed to substantially UP their commitment - they're going to UP it to levels they've never thought of before." 

French President Emanuel Macron immediately rebuked Trump's wild claims - saying that the NATO Allies agreed to nothing more than just keeping their prior commitments.

It's sad, but Macron is way more credible than Trump.
  
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Re: The US Should Withdraw From NATO
Reply #1 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:01pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
"We should not be in the business of pledging to send our brave soldiers to risk that last full measure of devotion to defend Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania from Russian aggression, or Croatia or Albania from Serbian attack. Their sole duty is to defend the citizens of the United States who pay their salaries and owe allegiance to the United States, which Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Croatians, and Albanians do not. For that reason among others, the United States should invoke Article 13 of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to withdraw.

Our NATO and post-NATO quest for Empire and global domination made a mockery of the bravery and sacrifices of Lexington and Concord in 1775. Our glory had previously been liberty, not world leadership."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-fein/the-united-states-should_b_11762584.ht...

Many were hopeful that Trump would announce the US withdrawal from NATO at the 2-day summit in Brussels.

But Trump said withdrawal was "unnecessary".

"We've had a very amazing two day period in Brussels, and we've really accomplished a lot with respect to NATO.  Progress has been made.  Everyone's agreed to substantially UP their commitment - they're going to UP it to levels they've never thought of before." 

French President Emanuel Macron immediately rebuked Trump's wild claims - saying that the NATO Allies agreed to nothing more than just keeping their prior commitments.

It's sad, but Macron is way more credible than Trump.
Start trade wars with everybody? Then tell NATO members to step up or piss off? At this point, I like it.

In fact, some free rider European nations have been pledging (probably lying) to increase their defense spending to maybe somewhere near what they are pledged to spend. Kiss

Don't count on it. They are "socially responsible" and refuse to defend their nations or Citizens on that premise.

Edit: And (if Mom allowed me to bet) I'd bet the Europeans will cave in and settle for attempted appeasement until it's too late.

Screw them I say!

Edit: if they haven't thought yet about being a part of the new Putin Soviet Union, they should start, or not.

As Queen Teeny always says, "What's that to me"?
  
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Re: The US Should Withdraw From NATO
Reply #2 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:16pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:01pm:
Start trade wars with everybody? Then tell NATO members to step up or piss off? At this point, I like it.

Ideally, the mission of NATO should not involve international Trade.

NATO's initial mission was to defend Western Europe from the totalitarian Soviet Union.  At the time [1949], it seemed a worthy cause.  But in 1991, the Soviet Union collapsed. The Warsaw Pact dissolved. The Central and Eastern Europeans raced westward.

NATO completely lost its reason for existing. 

That's when the US should have bowed out.  But US imperialists realized that NATO could be a useful tool towards the goal of expanding the US empire and influence in Europe.

Thomas Jefferson would be furious.
  
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Re: The US Should Withdraw From NATO
Reply #3 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:32pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
Ideally, the mission of NATO should not involve international Trade.

The "mission" of military alliances is to protect alliance members from threats.

Control of trade is an effective weapon.

Why would any protective alliance need to threaten anyone with restraint of trade?

Because they had proved themselves to be enemies of liberty? Tyrants?

  
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Reply #4 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 7:56pm
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The US isn't going to pull out of Nato. It needs Nato to legitimize US plans for aggression.

And if Trump tried to do that the deep state would have to kill him ala Kennedy.

So the other Nato countries know they're doing the US a favour and won't be paying up. It's the US that should be paying all the other countries.

I thought that Trump would have 'got it' by now and pulled in his horns. Nope, just like a gatepost.

And now Germany is 70% dependent on Russia for it's energy needs. Trump's making an ass of himself.

And so are you mutts for not being able to understand.

(if anybody figures it out, then think the same for the UN.)
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 8:02pm
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The US isn't going to pull out of Nato. It needs Nato to legitimize US plans for aggression...

Trump's making an ass of himself.

And so are you mutts for not being able to understand.

Right.  But I've already stated this:

SkyChief wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
NATO's initial mission was to defend Western Europe from the totalitarian Soviet Union.  In 1991, the Soviet Union collapsed....
US imperialists realized that NATO could be a useful tool towards the goal of expanding the US empire and influence in Europe.
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 8:38pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 8:02pm:
Right.  But I've already stated this:

NATO is a military alliance intended to protect all of the member states from  aggression by anybody.
  
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Re: The US Should Withdraw From NATO
Reply #7 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 8:48pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 8:38pm:
NATO is a military alliance intended to protect all of the member states from  aggression by anybody.

That's what they pretend to be.   

NATO is a military alliance to advance US imperialism.  That's why 70% of NATO is funded by the US. 

NATO is no benefit to American people.  It benefits Defense contractors and Deep State.

The US needs to withdraw from NATO, and let the Europeans pay for it if they opt to keep it on life-support.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 8:53pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 8:38pm:
NATO is a military alliance intended to protect all of the member states from  aggression by anybody.

Hey boss, sometime the Chief gets it right doesn't he. Is it a conicidence that it's when you start acting like an asshole?

Let me know boss.
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Re: The US Should Withdraw From NATO
Reply #9 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 9:06pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
Ideally, the mission of NATO should not involve international Trade.

NATO's initial mission was to defend Western Europe from the totalitarian Soviet Union.  At the time [1949], it seemed a worthy cause.  But in 1991, the Soviet Union collapsed. The Warsaw Pact dissolved. The Central and Eastern Europeans raced westward.

NATO completely lost its reason for existing. 

That's when the US should have bowed out.  But US imperialists realized that NATO could be a useful tool towards the goal of expanding the US empire and influence in Europe.

Thomas Jefferson would be furious.

yes jefferson would be ferus and nato should have disoled in 1992 at the latest
  
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