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The Future is Libertarian
Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:54am
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For too long, have the Democrats and the Republicans, run this country into the ditch. They have passed 1.3 trillion dollar spending Bill's, set up government healthcare, done wars in the middle east for no reason other than to enrich Boeing and other companies.

We must rise. We must overthrow the Oligarchs and their pet lobbyists. We have a republic for citizens not companies, to determine policy. Banning the lobbyist is something the Democrats cannot do, for billions are shoveled their way every year, and neither can it be done with the Republicans, for they are corrupt as well.

The American worker is to determine their own fate, to work as hard as they can and achieve success, unimpeded by companies replacing their vote with buckets of blood money. The Oligarch big banks and corporations are stealing away the voter's will, no longer!

There will be an economic crash in the 2030's, caused by the two large parties. All the debts will be called in. At that point, China will swoop in claiming they have the power to save us from the crisis, this, CANNOT happen. Signing away our sovereignty, and with it, dreams of an efficient government small in size? NEVER.

We must act now. The institution of a Pragmatic government that only runs and creates programs that work and perform under budget is a must, with the elimination of 90% of current programs and passing of legislation preventing deficit spending is essential.

Paying off the national debt is of the utmost importance. With it breaking 22 trillion at such a quick pace, we are reaching dangerous territory. I see a future, of a strong America. With a middle class being the envy of the world. With new cities that would bring Singapore to shame.

America being a greater nation, with market shaking inventions and higher technologies, venturing out into the deepest reaches of space, spreading our power not too other nationstates, but amongst ourselves.

Protecting the concept of Liberality, protecting small business from regulations written by giant companies who themselves alone can afford to function by! Who's not to say lobbyists of foreign powers aren't the ones writing us away from the ability to run a local business; thus, eliminating local competition for them.

We must wield the full power of Liberty, the crown jewel of Western Civilization, to implement a truly lasting society, driven by individuals who lead us into the future and future ways of living. To unleash the human spirit, and to be driven by the awesome power of the American will; we can be, and must be, reborn!

Forever Liberty!
  

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Re: The Future is Libertarian
Reply #1 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 11:14am
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:54am:
We must act now... and passing of legislation preventing deficit spending is essential.

Exactly.  This is key. 

Right now there are no incentives for the Congress to pass a budget.  There are no penalties for deficit spending.

That needs to change. 

We need Laws that punish elected officials who squander taxpayer's money on non-essential things. Up to, and including prison sentences/pension forfeiture.

We need a Budget Oversight Committee comprised of taxpayers.  Sort of like a Grand Jury, but for the Budget.

And most importantly, we need to end Income Tax.  Income Tax enables government to spend more money than they really should.,
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 12:56pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 11:14am:
Exactly.  This is key. 

Right now there are no incentives for the Congress to pass a budget.  There are no penalties for deficit spending.

That needs to change. 

We need Laws that punish elected officials who squander taxpayer's money on non-essential things. Up to, and including prison sentences/pension forfeiture.

We need a Budget Oversight Committee comprised of taxpayers.  Sort of like a Grand Jury, but for the Budget.


Yes, the future for America is 'real' libertarianism.

Maybe we can begin the conversation on deciding what is essential and what is non-essential?
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 1:34pm
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Maybe we can begin the conversation on deciding what is essential and what is non-essential?

That conversation would not be productive.  Due to the differences of our political views, we have very different ideas about what is "essential" and what is "non-essential".

You will argue that it is "essential" that government redistributes wealth in order to remedy income inequality.

Of course, I will take the libertarian position and argue that redistribution of wealth is NOT an essential function of government.

And it will likely get into name-calling,  one of us will be labeled a racist, or a Nazi,  and the discussion will degrade to the point of absurdity.

But thanks for the invitation.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 1:41pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 1:34pm:
That conversation would not be productive.  Due to the differences of our political views, we have very different ideas about what is "essential" and what is "non-essential".

You will argue that it is "essential" that government redistributes wealth in order to remedy income inequality.

Of course, I will take the libertarian position and argue that redistribution of wealth is NOT an essential function of government.

And it will likely get into name-calling,  one of us will be labeled a racist, or a Nazi,  and the discussion will degrade to the point of absurdity.

But thanks for the invitation. 

Opinions will differ and when that happens all that is really important is keeping a lid on our emotions. You need to be able to learn how to do that.

But today isn't a good day to start with the Cal-3 thing going down in flames.

However, start any time you like and see if I can stand behind my words. You may also want to read the message I just wrote to Jeff, because it applies to you just as well. It's on the "Socialist Paradise" thread.

When you're ready to talk, let me know.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:18pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 11:14am:
Exactly.  This is key. 

Right now there are no incentives for the Congress to pass a budget.  There are no penalties for deficit spending.

That needs to change. 

We need Laws that punish elected officials who squander taxpayer's money on non-essential things. Up to, and including prison sentences/pension forfeiture.

We need a Budget Oversight Committee comprised of taxpayers.  Sort of like a Grand Jury, but for the Budget.

And most importantly, we need to end Income Tax.  Income Tax enables government to spend more money than they really should.,


I agree with you Skychief. We need to take machetes to government programs. MOST of them need to go. We should have a talk about Strong Libertarian planks for the party.

The party has the potential to be extremely popular. Especially with both parties getting very opulant and biligerant with their duopoly position. They are weak, and we can cut them down.
  

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Reply #6 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 2:21am
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Jul 20th, 2018 at 11:18pm:
I agree with you Skychief. We need to take machetes to government programs. MOST of them need to go. We should have a talk about Strong Libertarian planks for the party.

The [Libertarian] party has the potential to be extremely popular. Especially with both parties getting very opulant and biligerant with their duopoly position. They are weak, and we can cut them down.

Yes, as the partisan divide between Democratic and GOP parties becomes more polarized, their members will become Independents or seek refuge in the Libertarian Party.

I agree that we need to be firm on the planks.  There might be a tendency for some libertarians to want a coalition with the Green Party for "strength-in-numbers".

This is a bad idea, in my opinion.   Although our two parties have a common adversary (the Democratic/GOP duopoly), the ideologies of the LP really isn't aligned with the Green Party.

Libertarians need to stay the course.  And the LNC needs to vet the libertarian candidates better.

Remember 2016     "What is a lepo?"   *smh*   We don't need any more of that silliness.   

The future looks bright for us. 
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:39am
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No one even talks about the national debt anymore, and it needs to be addressed.  It's great to have fewer taxes and less regulation, but spending needs to be greatly reduced.  Whole departments in government need to go.  And government needs to stop rewarding laziness.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 10:00am
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 2:21am:
I agree that we need to be firm on the planks.  There might be a tendency for some libertarians to want a coalition with the Green Party for "strength-in-numbers".

This is a bad idea, in my opinion.   Although our two parties have a common adversary (the Democratic/GOP duopoly), the ideologies of the LP really isn't aligned with the Green Party.




A fatal error to begin with. Green party ideals are the future and need to be part of any new party that is trying to appeal to the ordinary people. Incorporating Republican denialist nonsense will fail for one reason the Repubs are failing.

If there's going to be a new libertarian party that can appeal to enough people to become government, it going to have to be rebuilt from the ground up. Denying Green priorities is socially irresponsible and speaks failure right from the start.
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 10:15am
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Libertarians are ALWAYS going to believe in economic freedom and therefore will not EVER endorse the redistribution of wealth.  Uncle Sam has to stop with the constant taxing and spending, that's socially irresponsible as is rewarding laziness.
  
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