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SicklersDink
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Re: The Future is Libertarian
Reply #10 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 10:42am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 10:15am:
Libertarians are ALWAYS going to believe in economic freedom and therefore will not EVER endorse the redistribution of wealth.  Uncle Sam has to stop with the constant taxing and spending, that's socially irresponsible as is rewarding laziness.


The taxing and spending will never stop and everybody but the Chief knows that.

The abuse can be stopped. The amount of taxing and spending can be controlled.

Libertarians can believe all they like but they also have to start thinking of ways they can be a part of the solution.

Do libertarians have any ideas that can help? Do you?

I have some ideas but we're going to have to convince the Chief that he should allow the ideas to be heard on this forum. Continually spamming everything but his complete elimination of income tax is disruptive.

Actually, it's criminal against the future good of the party!
  
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Re: The Future is Libertarian
Reply #11 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 10:58am
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If there's going to be a new libertarian party that can appeal to enough people to become government, it going to have to be rebuilt from the ground up. Denying Green priorities is socially irresponsible and speaks failure right from the start.

Enough of this silly gibberish.

There's not going to be any "NEW" Libertarian Party.  FYI:  the old one ain't broke and don't need any fixin'.

The truth is, the Green Party advocate INCREASES in Taxes, not elimination of taxes. This ideology will never be in alignment with libertarian ideals  of self-ownership and elimination of Income Tax (wealth redistribution).

As libertarians, we must reject all infidels who would work to undermine our ideals of liberty and freedom - all infidels who endeavor to change or re-define libertarianism.

For anyone interested, the following link enumerates all of the tax increases which the Green Party are seeking: (very alarming, imo)

http://gp.org/cgi-bin/vote/propdetail?pid=540
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 11:12am
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 10:58am:
Enough of this silly gibberish.

There's not going to be any "NEW" Libertarian Party.  FYI:  the old one ain't broke and don't need any fixin'.


It's broke!

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The truth is, the Green Party advocate INCREASES in Taxes, not elimination of taxes. This ideology will never be in alignment with libertarian ideals  of self-ownership and elimination of Income Tax (wealth redistribution).


The Green party's environmental issues are the future and they will have to become a part of a successful libertarian party. If that can be done for free then so be it.

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As libertarians, we must reject all infidels who would work to undermine our ideals of liberty and freedom - all infidels who endeavor to change or re-define libertarianism.


You do but you have no support for your extremism.

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For anyone interested, the following link enumerates all of the tax increases which the Green Party are seeking: (very alarming, imo)

http://gp.org/cgi-bin/vote/propdetail?pid=540


Like I say, maybe libertarians can figure out how to protect the environment for free. Can there be any further discussion with you? I doubt it!
  
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Re: The Future is Libertarian
Reply #13 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 12:14pm
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The Green party's environmental issues are the future and they will have to become a part of a successful libertarian party. If that can be done for free then so be it.

The Green Party will never become part of a successful Libertarian Party  - our ideals are simply too far apart.

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...you have no support for your extremism.

Don't need any.  The LPs platform is plainly stated here:

https://www.lp.org/platform/

If you familiarize yourself with these planks, you will discover that my position isn't extremist at all.  In fact, I'm more of a "moderate" libertarian.  At least that the hard-liner libertarians tell me.

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Like I say, maybe libertarians can figure out how to protect the environment for free. Can there be any further discussion with you? I doubt it!

Environmentalism is actually a plank of the Green Party's platform.

Don't try to re-define libertarianism.       It's a fool's errand.

edit:   There IS some "common ground" between the Libertarian and Green parties.  Namely, our anti-war agenda.  Possibly something else....  But the two party's disparity on Tax Reform forms a giant rift which cannot ever be bridged.
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Re: The Future is Libertarian
Reply #14 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 1:39pm
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It's broke!


No, it's not.  What's broke is a government that punishes success and rewards failure.
  
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Re: The Future is Libertarian
Reply #15 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 2:15pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 1:39pm:
No, it's not.  What's broke is a government that punishes success and rewards failure.


Yes, your government is broke too. For other reasons than how you understand it. As to libertarianism, it's insignificant and out of the question until libertarians decide to come back to earth.

I expect it's popularity won't be any higher in the 2020 electionor the 18 election than it was in the last two.

The basis for building something that could be a factor in the 2020 election is there. But it needs a lot of work. 2018 is a write-off.
  
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Re: The Future is Libertarian
Reply #16 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 5:18pm
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Our government just needs to embrace libertarian ideals, not what leftist bullshit you think it should embrace.
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 21st, 2018 at 7:12pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 21st, 2018 at 5:18pm:
Our government just needs to embrace libertarian ideals, not what leftist bullshit you think it should embrace.


Maybe somebody should tell the government that they need to get rid of income tax?

Do you think the Chief has told them yet? Did he tell Trump that's the problem?
  
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Re: The Future is Libertarian
Reply #18 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 9:53am
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And take a chainsaw to a bunch of government departments, starting with the Department of Education.
  
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Reply #19 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 12:37pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 9:53am:
And take a chainsaw to a bunch of government departments, starting with the Department of Education.


I miss Jeff (Craig Sickler). He was a hardnose and always turned into a disruptor after he went off daily around 2 p.m., but in his serious moments he was able to understand how the LP needs to change so people would find their ideas acceptable.

Now we have the Chief leading the charge to the party's demise and you being a willing follower, due to your lack of political experience.
  
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