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DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM SURGING
Jul 22nd, 2018 at 8:49am
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"Democratic Socialism Surging" is the title in big block letters of an article in the first section of today's Times Union, Jacksonville, FL.

It's been 50 years since the Libertarian Party thought it might provide an answer to socialism, and this is where we are now.

Anyone have any more bright ideas?
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 9:41am
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We'll see what happens in the Fall.  Hopefully, people will realize that lower taxes and less regulation has had a positive impact on the economy.  If only we could also get spending under control, it would be nice.
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 11:54am
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Democratic socialism is surging. 

It's a form of leftist extremism to fight/obstruct the President.

Democratic socialists often refer to each other as "comrade" and like to quote Karl Marx when they can.

They are amusing, but I don't think many people take them seriously.
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 12:13pm
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trumps-tariff-war-is-the-final-act-of-a-bro...

Trump's Tariff War Is The Final Act Of A Broken System

This is one of the mot informative pieces I've ever read at HP. Some libertarians may not agree but they will get some ideas from it.

Democratic Socialism is still going to be seen by Americans as the commie under their beds as long as the label sticks. It has to eventually be seen as just a more socially responsible form of capitalism.

Obama gave the people a taste of how government could be fixed to serve the people. I've always said that the power at the top that controls the US is in big trouble if the people ever get a clue.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 12:15pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 11:54am:
Democratic socialism is surging. 

It's a form of leftist extremism to fight/obstruct the President.



It's a form of leftist to fight/obstruct/destroy the presidencey. I'm very surprised that somebody hasn't resorted to the Kennedy fix by now.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 1:13pm
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Obama was the media inspired affirmative action president who stifled economic recovery and crappity smacked up healthcare.  At least Trump has done some good for the economy by lowering taxes and reducing regulations.  Face it, Trump is a big improvement over the last president, and we should all be grateful that Hillary wasn't elected.  She'd probably push for universal daycare paid for by more taxes.
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 1:22pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 1:13pm:
Obama was the media inspired affirmative action president who stifled economic recovery and crappity smacked up healthcare.  At least Trump has done some good for the economy by lowering taxes and reducing regulations.  Face it, Trump is a big improvement over the last president, and we should all be grateful that Hillary wasn't elected.  She'd probably push for universal daycare paid for by more taxes.


I like to be able to agree with you Ruby. For the sake of argument, Trump has done what kneejerkists want.

The methods he's resorted to spells economic  'DISASTER'.

Always think back to the warning I've given you on how Nazi Germany tried to fix their problems.

Libertarians are right on one very important thing. Their country is totally corrupt and they know that it has to be fixed. Something has to change. That's why you're libertarians and I'm a Canadian libertarian who is trying to help.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 8:33am
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Don, the economy has improved a lot under Trump, and you're no libertarian.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:17am
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Tom Palven wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 8:49am:
"Democratic Socialism Surging" is the title in big block letters of an article in the first section of today's Times Union, Jacksonville, FL.

It's been 50 years since the Libertarian Party thought it might provide an answer to socialism, and this is where we are now.

Anyone have any more bright ideas?
As I've said before, our role now should be damage control.  Things like universal health care are inevitable so I think we should try and direct the conversation towards more market based or at least more state based systems. 
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 12:55pm
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ahhell wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:17am:
As I've said before, our role now should be damage control.  Things like universal health care are inevitable so I think we should try and direct the conversation towards more market based or at least more state based systems. 


I think the US ran out of ways to make the free market work, due to lack of ability to compete on a level playing field. Now Trump has resorted to illegal and unfair trade sanctions against China and even the US's allies. That's a move away from what you suggest.

Obama improved the economy immensely when he took over from Bush2 but it apparently wasn't sustainable. I would blame the US system.

Trump is improving the economy with methods that are not only unsustainable but destructive and warlike. It's going to be resisted by the rest of the world's economies.

If there is any success in Trump's methods then it going to come at a price that no preaceful nation would ever want to pay.

Although the comparison to Nazi Germany isn't exact, it's close enough to be used as an explanation of what Trump is doing.

Currently a discussion is ongoing in North Dakota as to whether they will feel enough pain over the Soy bean Trump fiasco, to change the vote to the Dems.

Back and forth between two corrupt parties, the US swings!
  
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