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Reply #140 - Nov 13th, 2018 at 10:56am
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BobK71 wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 10:34am:
And when Alexander Hamilton put the power of money in government (in a firmer and more organized way than a central-bank-free country,) the pigs really fight for their spots!

His experiment was killed, but his philosophical heirs carried on the brave struggle, and with the help of British elites desperate to keep their global bubble afloat, plus plain, normal ignorance about money by the public, the System achieved its triumph in 1913 with the founding of the Federal Reserve.  Nothing short of a Glorious Revolution on American shores!

But seriously, Ben Hunt's point is that, at this point, as opposed to most of the last century, there are no electoral incentives for politicians of either side to be moderate and work with the other side.  And this is a self-reinforcing trend.  Paul Ryan was smart to get out.
Hamilton didn't do it by himself, he had enough support in Congress to create a central bank. Even Madison in his retirement had come to believe that a central bank had enough utility in times of war that it was justified to have one.

However, I don't think either one of them envisioned a private bank being given the vast powers that were bestowed on the Federal Reserve Bank we have now... but of course none of them ever envisioned a Constitution that had been expanded by interpretation, broad construction and extension to give Congress general powers, and I think it is the illegal alteration of the Constitution to make it a charter for unlimited government rather than one of limited enumerated powers (along with ignoring the limitations on the taxing power) that have created the problems we have with government today.

For a pertinent instance, where did Congress get the power to put the TwoParties in charge of the electoral process?

I say they have none.

The Sack says that the power came from SCOTUS, who agreed with Congress that having a two party system would be good for America (because too many choices on the ballot would confuse voters) and that SCOTUS had the power to decide that things Congress said would be good for America were inherently constitutional... The general welfare and all that.
  

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Reply #141 - Nov 28th, 2018 at 1:02pm
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Ocasio-Cortez thinks she will be inaugurated on January 3rd.

The following day she will "sign bills" for free stuff provided by the government.    Grin    Grin

The price tag is $38 Trillion over 4 years.

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Reply #142 - Nov 29th, 2018 at 4:36pm
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SkyChief wrote on Nov 28th, 2018 at 1:02pm:
Ocasio-Cortez thinks she will be inaugurated on January 3rd.

The following day she will "sign bills" for free stuff provided by the government.    Grin    Grin

The price tag is $38 Trillion over 4 years.

She's cool! She recently spoke up about the "three chambers" of the federal government, the House, the Senate and the President.

I hope federal judges heard her say that! Grin

Does Nancy Pelosi like her?
  

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Reply #143 - Nov 29th, 2018 at 6:26pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 29th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
She's cool! She recently spoke up about the "three chambers" of the federal government, the House, the Senate and the President.

Does Nancy Pelosi like her?

No sure about Pelosi, but Jake Tapper certainly isn't falling for the socialist's nonsense.

Tapper:   "The overall price tag is more than $40 Trillion.  Where's the money going to come from?"

Ocasio-Cortez:  "We need to SAVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.  These [freebie programs] are good for our future."

Tapper:  "but the price tag is over $40 Trillion over the next ten years.   $40 Trillion is quite a bit of money - ah -  the tax raise you propose only accounts for $2 Trillion.... Where's the other $38 Trillion going to come from?"

Ocasio-Cortez:  "A year ago, I was working downtown in a restaurant.  I went around and asked 'How many of you people have health insurance?'.  Not a single person did!"

Tapper:  "Ok, I'm assuming I'm not going to get an answer to the other $38 Trillion, but we'll have you back'.." he laughs.

  
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Reply #144 - Dec 8th, 2018 at 6:43am
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This is how Democratic Socialists think-

https://www.dailywire.com/news/39160/ocasio-cortez-threatens-retaliate-against-t...

Will Congress apply their ethics rules to Ocasio-Cortez?
  

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Reply #145 - Dec 16th, 2018 at 3:20am
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The poor dear.

Highly educated...

Still dumber than a fence-post.   Smiley

She couldn't even pass the Voter Proficiency Exam.
  
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Reply #146 - Dec 16th, 2018 at 7:12am
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SkyChief wrote on Dec 16th, 2018 at 3:20am:


The poor dear.

Highly educated...

Still dumber than a fence-post.   Smiley

She couldn't even pass the Voter Proficiency Exam.
A BA in economics and international relations isn't exactly highly educated, but it does make me wonder just how bad Boston University has become. No doubt they teach Keynesian economics...
  

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Reply #147 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 10:15am
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Jeff wrote on Dec 8th, 2018 at 6:43am:
This is how Democratic Socialists think-




How is a community voting to take money from landowners to pay for social benefits like public schools or county provided sewers not democratic socialism? 
  

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Reply #148 - Dec 29th, 2018 at 5:42pm
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Democratic Socialism and Socialism - is there really a difference?

Steven Crowder explains this 'lipstick-on-a-pig' nonsense:

  
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Reply #149 - Dec 30th, 2018 at 8:40am
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Little Big Man wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 10:15am:
How is a community voting to take money from landowners to pay for social benefits like public schools or county provided sewers not democratic socialism? 
Is that how democratic socialism works?

How do you propose to stop the people in my community from taxing property within the community in order to provide education and the safe treatment of sewage?

Why do you think that amounts to "democratic socialism"? Do taxes to support local police amount to "democratic socialism"?

The idea of America is that people will be as free as possible, which precludes against having a tyrannical government that can tell states or local communities what they can't do... Although the Constitution does require that states have a republican form of government and state governments are generally obligated to protect people from theft and murder...

If you live in a community where most of the people think education and sewage treatment are proper functions of government and are willing to tax their own property to raise revenue for those purposes, you have choices. You can try to change their minds or you can move somewhere else... Perhaps you could try to convince your state legislature to pass a law making local taxation illegal?
  

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