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Young Americans for Liberty's Plan To Elect Liberty-Minded Candidates
Jul 25th, 2018 at 6:08pm
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https://71republic.com/2018/07/25/yal-new-strategy-liberty/

They're creating a grassroots movement to elect liberty-minded candidates at the state level, and have been successful in a few races so far with 10 left to go!
  
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Re: Young Americans for Liberty's Plan To Elect Liberty-Minded Candidates
Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 6:22pm
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Liberty Locomotion wrote on Jul 25th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
https://71republic.com/2018/07/25/yal-new-strategy-liberty/

They're creating a grassroots movement to elect liberty-minded candidates at the state level, and have been successful in a few races so far with 10 left to go!
Should they coordinate their efforts with the LP?
  
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Re: Young Americans for Liberty's Plan To Elect Liberty-Minded Candidates
Reply #2 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 6:22pm
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Very inspirational!  Thanks for sharing.

The future's so bright, i gotta wear shades!   Cool
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 8:26pm
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Liberty Locomotion wrote on Jul 25th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
https://71republic.com/2018/07/25/yal-new-strategy-liberty/

They're creating a grassroots movement to elect liberty-minded candidates at the state level, and have been successful in a few races so far with 10 left to go!


It sounds quite encouraging from reading your link. I think the proof will be in the details when YAL candidates get to debating specifics of their libertarian agenda.

Fwiw, my opinion is that the LP agenda needs to be moderated somewhat in order to attract a significant number of people.

Can you tell us more on the specifics. Wanting 'liberty' is a given for all Americans but explaining and having potential converts understand what it means to a libertarian is somewhat ambiguous.

If any libertarian is proud of their agenda and are not even the slightest bit embarrassed to promote it, then they should  be fine with the people they want to convince.
  
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Re: Young Americans for Liberty's Plan To Elect Liberty-Minded Candidates
Reply #4 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 8:42pm
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Fwiw, my opinion is that the LP agenda needs to be moderated somewhat in order to attract a significant number of people.

The LP agenda is well-established and will not be "moderated". It has stood the test of time since 1971 when our Party was formed.

In 1971, we stood for individual freedom, freedom of association,  laissez-faire capitalism,  a minimal & limited government, non-interventionism, and NAP. 

In 47 years, none of that has changed. Not one iota.

The LP agenda stands on its own merit, and won't be watered-down to to attract people.

As the Democratic and Republican Parties annihilate each other, their apostates will naturally gravitate towards libertarianism.   Smiley
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 8:50pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 25th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
The LP agenda is well-established and will not be "moderated". It has stood the test of time since 1971 when our Party was formed.

In 1971, we stood for individual freedom, freedom of association,  laissez-faire capitalism,  a minimal & limited government, non-interventionism, and NAP. 

In 47 years, none of that has changed. Not one iota.

The LP agenda stands on its own merit, and won't be watered-down to to attract people.

As the Democratic and Republican Parties annihilate each other, their apostates will naturally gravitate towards libertarianism.   Smiley


No need to get so dictatorial in your attitude Chief. I'm only interested in the best for the party and that depends on growing the party. it can't remain at the current status quo forever.

I don't want to change any libertarian values or planks. But I do want to hear how libertarians with the best intentions at heart can interpret some of the policies in a more sane and productive way, in order to attract the numbers we so desperately need.

It's in the specific Chief. We can take your position of the NAP meaning that income tax has to go and we can interpret to mean a more moderated position on income tax.

Have a nice day chief!
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 9:05pm
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It's in the specific Chief. We can take your position of the NAP meaning that income tax has to go and we can interpret to mean a more moderated position on income tax.

Have a nice day chief!

The Libertarian Party's position on Income Tax is QUITE clear:

"The Libertarian Party is fundamentally opposed to the use of force to coerce people into doing anything. We think it is inherently wrong and should have no role in a civilized society. Thus, we think that government forcing people to pay taxes is inherently wrong."

There you go, Dink.

Now you're informed on the LP's position on Income Taxes.  Hopefully, you won't continue to make these ridiculous statements:

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It's called taxation and it benefits everyone.



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You really should start to consider communism as the solution to the US's problems. Libertarian can't happen, as we all agree.



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Wanting less government is a flawed concept but mostly because it remains meaningless. Libertarians live in some dream world.


Have a nice day!!   Smiley
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 10:04pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 25th, 2018 at 9:05pm:
The Libertarian Party's position on Income Tax is QUITE clear:

"The Libertarian Party is fundamentally opposed to the use of force to coerce people into doing anything. We think it is inherently wrong and should have no role in a civilized society. Thus, we think that government forcing people to pay taxes is inherently wrong."

There you go, Dink.

It's negotiable chief and it can be moderated to benefit all libertarians. The NAP can't be applied to every situation that's imaginable and trying to do it will never be supported by the people. For instance: If you commit a crime you will be forced to go to jail! The NAP doesn't apply.

In any country where people don't live in tropical jungle villages, income is necessary and the NAP doesn't apply in it's strictest sense.

Chief, what's the use of going over and over this time and time again. When will you come to the understanding, as everybody else on this forum has, that we can't get rid of income taxes completely. Chie please!

[quote]Now you're informed on the LP's position on Income Taxes.  Hopefully, you won't continue to make these ridiculous statements:


I stand behind each and every one of them and I'll defend each individuallly, for the good of libertarianism.






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Have a nice day!!   Smiley


Thank you! I already have had a super day!  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Young Americans for Liberty's Plan To Elect Liberty-Minded Candidates
Reply #8 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 10:41pm
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I stand behind each and every one of them and I'll defend each individuallly, for the good of libertarianism.


This is precisely why you're so useful to me.  I need you to stand behind your ridiculous statements to show how delusional you truly are.

Your idiotic statements are the only evidence I have, so keep 'em coming!

Here's one of my all-time favorites:

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You really should start to consider communism as the solution to the US's problems....Communism where the wealth is shared by the people could be a possibility for relief from the torture.

This is not in the cards for Canada of course but I see a real possibility of revolution and then reform to communism.



You are very precious to me, Dink.   Really!   Don't ever change.

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Reply #9 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 10:53pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 25th, 2018 at 10:41pm:
This is precisely why you're so useful to me.  I need you to stand behind your ridiculous statements to show how delusional you truly are.

Your idiotic statements are the only evidence I have, so keep 'em coming!

Here's one of my all-time favorites:



You are very precious to me, Dink.   Really!   Don't ever change.

  Smiley


That was an obvious thing to say at the time we were talking  about millennials promoting communism.

I stand behind the comment because it's at least possible that those young people see communism as the solution.

And then after all chief, you are probably the last holdout who can't grasp how most of us have come to agreement on how all capitalist countries blend in some sociaalist policy. And hey, isn't socialism the same as communism to you still?

Soften up your dogma chief. You probably can't get rid of me on this forum *yet and you're becoming isolated!

*fascism and fascists always have a way. They call it their final solution!

Are you down to 'your' final solution yet chief?
  
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