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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #130 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 10:04am
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People would support socialism for several reasons; here are, I’m assuming, 3 of the most popular: misplaced compassion, security, and lack of work ethic or skills.
     Misplaced compassion is something left over from our evolution.  Compassion for your group and/or family helped your genes spread.  For instance, most people think that puppies are cute because they mimic the appearance of an infant.  People see the poor and downtrodden and want to help; they simply do not understand that socialism promotes bad behavior and is not economically sustainable. 
     Security, at some level, is something that most everyone wants.  Actually, as a byproduct of evolution, women like security more than men do.  There is a comforting feeling to know that the federal government will take care of you when your old.
     A lack of work ethic or skill is a very controversial one.  If you can’t, or don’t want to, make it in the free market, then handouts seem like a great idea.  There is an ethical dilemma with those that want to work but have very little to offer a free market.  Should they starve?  This is the only dilemma where I have less libertarian views. 
  

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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #131 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 11:25am
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lksalksa123 wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 10:04am:
  There is an ethical dilemma with those that want to work but have very little to offer a free market.  Should they starve?  This is the only dilemma where I have less libertarian views. 

The more you give to people for not working, the less they will work.  This is the main problem with any powerful government. 

High taxes, and redistribution of wealth. 

A recipe for disaster.
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #132 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 6:04pm
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More drama from Prez Maduro.

Maduro has limited the powers of the opposition-run legislature, jailed opposition politicians and created a parallel congress with unlimited powers.

So the U.S.has barred Americans from doing business with, and will seize any financial assets in the U.S. belonging to first lady Cilia Flores, Vice President Delcy Rodriguez, Communications Minister Jorge Rodriguez and Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino.

"We are continuing to designate loyalists who enable Maduro to solidify his hold on the military and the government while the Venezuelan people suffer," Treasury Secretary Mnuchin said yesterday.

Maduro issued a stern warning to President Trump:

"If you want to attack me, attack me, but do not mess with Cilia, do not mess with the family, do not be cowards."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/maduro-brands-trump-coward-after-first-lady-...
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #133 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 6:19pm
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lksalksa123 wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 10:04am:
There is an ethical dilemma with those that want to work but have very little to offer a free market.  Should they starve?  This is the only dilemma where I have less libertarian views. 
Why would they starve if they are willing to work and have something to offer?
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #134 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 6:21pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 6:04pm:
More drama from Prez Maduro.

Maduro has limited the powers of the opposition-run legislature, jailed opposition politicians and created a parallel congress with unlimited powers.

So the U.S.has barred Americans from doing business with, and will seize any financial assets in the U.S. belonging to first lady Cilia Flores, Vice President Delcy Rodriguez, Communications Minister Jorge Rodriguez and Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino.

"We are continuing to designate loyalists who enable Maduro to solidify his hold on the military and the government while the Venezuelan people suffer," Treasury Secretary Mnuchin said yesterday.

Maduro issued a stern warning to President Trump:

"If you want to attack me, attack me, but do not mess with Cilia, do not mess with the family, do not be cowards."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/maduro-brands-trump-coward-after-first-lady-...
So, should we drone Maduro? If I was The Donald, I might do it and blame it on anarchists. Wink

Since I'm me, I'd drone Maduro personally and take credit for it. Even make a YouTube video and post it.
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #135 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 6:58pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
So, should we drone Maduro? If I was The Donald, I might do it and blame it on anarchists. Wink

Since I'm me, I'd drone Maduro personally and take credit for it. Even make a YouTube video and post it.

These Violate NAP.

Stronger sanctions are the answer.  Eventually, the Venezuelan people will get tired of socialism and there will be a coup.

If Maduro's successor continues with failed socialist policy, the US should continue economic sanctions.
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #136 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 7:09pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
These Violate NAP.

Oh. Don't you think he's a murderer of children? Hasn't the death of children been the direct result of his policies? Wasn't it well known that that would be the result?
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #137 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 7:12pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
Eventually, the Venezuelan people will get tired of socialism and there will be a coup.

Won't they have to defeat the Venezuelan military, who have been allies of Maduro in the plundering?

Are you hoping for a coup that establishes a military dictatorship?

Won't a coup that kills Maduro also violate the NAP?
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #138 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 7:30pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 7:09pm:
Oh. Don't you think he's a murderer of children? Hasn't the death of children been the direct result of his policies? Wasn't it well known that that would be the result?

Probably so.  But that's not my problem.   That's the problem of Venezuelans.

Contrary to popular belief, the US is not the policeman of the world.

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Won't they have to defeat the Venezuelan military, who have been allies of Maduro in the plundering?
Probably so.

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Are you hoping for a coup that establishes a military dictatorship?
I'm indifferent. It's just that it seems to me that many Venezuelans are fed up with socialism. 

They're eating their pets, you know.   Who wants that?

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Won't a coup that kills Maduro also violate the NAP?

Sure. but that wont be blood on my hands.   It's on whoever executes the coup.

The US will not initiate military intervention in Venezuela.  They have communist sponsors who would likely take offense, and it may cause a war.
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #139 - Sep 28th, 2018 at 8:15am
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