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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #140 - Sep 28th, 2018 at 9:52am
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Jeff wrote on Sep 28th, 2018 at 8:15am:
Guess where most of the bailout money will come from?

http://dailybail.com/home/chart-who-funds-the-imf.html

Well, that figures.   The IMF is actually the US taxpayer's money!!

We pay for that crap.

Not surprised to learn that.

Income Tax makes the IMF possible.

Another excellent reason to abolish Income Tax!

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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #141 - Sep 28th, 2018 at 4:28pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 28th, 2018 at 9:52am:
Not surprised to learn that.

Income Tax makes the IMF possible.

I was surprised you didn't know that the U.S. funds all that sort of thing, and I had to think about the next part...

Isn't that like saying that having money is what makes violent drug gangs possible?

In both cases, the criminal activity comes first.

Congress lacks authority to give our tax money to the IMF to do with it as they please, and probably steal lots of it.

Speaking of that, how about that "discretionary spending" slice of the pie you recently posted?

What a great thing to have access to! Is there an accurate recent accounting for the "discretionary spending" slice? I bet lots of people get rich from that source of funding. Cry
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #142 - Sep 28th, 2018 at 11:29pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 28th, 2018 at 4:28pm:
I was surprised you didn't know that the U.S. funds all that sort of thing, and I had to think about the next part...
I honestly didnt know.  I knew the I in IMF stood for International, so naturally, I assumed that many nations would contribute to the fund.

But the truth is that the US does the heavy lifting with the IMF.
 
Sorta like NATO.   US pays so everyone else can play.

Now, THERE's a non-essential money-pit we could do without!


Jeff wrote on Sep 28th, 2018 at 4:28pm:
Congress lacks authority to give our tax money to the IMF to do with it as they please, and probably steal lots of it.

Congress lacks authority to tax our wages and salaries, but they do it anyways!   Grin

Who's to stop them?  Ha hah hahah hahhah   Grin
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #143 - Sep 29th, 2018 at 6:25am
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 28th, 2018 at 11:29pm:
Congress lacks authority to tax our wages and salaries, but they do it anyways!   Grin

In fact, Congress has the authority to tax anything Chief.

What they lack authority to do is levy Direct taxes without apportionment and Indirect taxes without making them uniform.
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #144 - Oct 30th, 2018 at 9:12pm
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We've denounced socialism quite a bit on this forum.

There can never be too much criticism of socialism, though.  People - especially young people need to understand how socialism destroys lives. Literally.

Here's a eye-opening piece from Mises contributor, Rafael Acevedo:

Socialism has killed more than 100 million people in the world. This metric is one example of why the system implemented in Venezuela for the past 60 years is the worst option to improve the quality of life.  Ludwig von Mises once said that every soccialist is a potential dictator, and the history in Venezuela support his statement, My country is now ruled by one of the worst assassin tyrannies of the world and — as one of history's most dedicated socialist regimes — it could not be anything else...


read the rest of the article (7 paragraphs)
https://mises.org/power-market/serial-killer-called-socialism
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #145 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 12:32pm
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Trump administration ‘considers adding Venezuela to terrorism state sponsors list’.

The dead horse braces itself for more beatings.

Senator Marco Rubio has been pressing the Trump administration to weaponize terrorist sanctions against Nicolas Maduro .  By including Venezuela in the list of  terrorism state sponsors, the US can inflict more pain and suffering on the Venezuelan People, and blame President Maduro.

The US does not recognize Nicolas Maduro as the duly elected President , and wants him to step down.

Maduro will not buckle under pressure from the White House. 

I think Trump will eventually use the US Military to overthrow Maduro.  If he does, this will be a fatal mistake, and he will not serve a second term.

https://www.rt.com/usa/444420-us-venezuela-terror-sponsor/
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #146 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 2:32pm
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People have definitional issues.

It's true there are hardcore socialists who have read all of the works and who truly believe in a socialist utopia. I can't speak for them. My suspicion is that they are so driven by the call of a Utopia that they prefer to ignore contrary evidence.

But I've found that most people who support "socialism" or "democratic socialism" don't know what it is. Like, deeply don't know.

The definitions they use are so ambiguous and vague, and often encompass anything they tend to like, and exclude anything they tend to dislike. If you define things that way, then I suppose they are easy to like.

Fuzziness is encouraged by the school system. There's a push for subjectivity, a push against logic and hard definitions. A push towards liking things that feel good or feel right.
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #147 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 2:57pm
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Dori_G wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 2:32pm:
People have definitional issues...
..I've found that most people who support "socialism" or "democratic socialism" don't know what it is. Like, deeply don't know.

Right:

"In fact, most young people who support socialism on the surface can’t even define the word properly. One NY Times survey from 2010 found that only 16% of millennials could properly define socialism, even though so many sing its praises."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/red-alert-politics/young-people-wouldnt-like-...

Karl Marx explained that Socialism is merely a stage of transition from capitalism to communism. The idea was, that if the State controls the means of production, all conflict cease to exist, and the lives of the majority of the people should improve.

But we know this is not the case.   Socialism only saps the motivation for entrepreneurship, innovation and exploration. Society eventually collapses, and people resort to eating their pets because the grocery market shelves are bare. 

Like in Venezuela.
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #148 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 3:23pm
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Dori_G wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 2:32pm:
People have definitional issues.

It's true there are hardcore socialists who have read all of the works and who truly believe in a socialist utopia. I can't speak for them. My suspicion is that they are so driven by the call of a Utopia that they prefer to ignore contrary evidence.

But I've found that most people who support "socialism" or "democratic socialism" don't know what it is. Like, deeply don't know.

The definitions they use are so ambiguous and vague, and often encompass anything they tend to like, and exclude anything they tend to dislike. If you define things that way, then I suppose they are easy to like.

Fuzziness is encouraged by the school system. There's a push for subjectivity, a push against logic and hard definitions. A push towards liking things that feel good or feel right.
Very true.

What are your thoughts on why our schools are encouraging "fuzzy" thought?
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #149 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 10:28pm
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Dori_G wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 2:32pm:
People have definitional issues.

It's true there are hardcore socialists who have read all of the works and who truly believe in a socialist utopia. I can't speak for them. My suspicion is that they are so driven by the call of a Utopia that they prefer to ignore contrary evidence.

But I've found that most people who support "socialism" or "democratic socialism" don't know what it is. Like, deeply don't know.

The definitions they use are so ambiguous and vague, and often encompass anything they tend to like, and exclude anything they tend to dislike. If you define things that way, then I suppose they are easy to like.

Fuzziness is encouraged by the school system. There's a push for subjectivity, a push against logic and hard definitions. A push towards liking things that feel good or feel right.


It's because their social standards objectively don't make sense. They're forced to push the fee-fees so they can push contradictory social mores and doublethink.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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