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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #70 - Jul 30th, 2018 at 7:19pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 30th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Senate Judiciary Committee.  If the person being impeached is a sitting member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, then a surrogate will be selected by the A.G.
Only the whole of Congress can impeach and remove from office.

Removed Senators are to be replaced by the State legislatures, or at least by the people they are supposed to represent.

The Executive branch has no role in the selection or removal of members of Congress.
  
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Reply #71 - Jul 30th, 2018 at 11:36pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 30th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Senate Judiciary Committee.  If the person being impeached is a sitting member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, then a surrogate will be selected by the A.G.


I really don't see how this solves the problem and I still don't think you can just get people impeached as easy as that.

Part of the problem is that everyone in government is eating out of the same squalid trough. The replacement will just start taking money from the same people and make whatever rights-violating law his predecessor was about to make. The people paying for this shit don't care whether the guy doing it is named Larry or Mack.

Jeff wrote on Jul 30th, 2018 at 3:18pm:
The Article V procedure that seems most likely to be used involves the states calling a convention. Get control of your state legislatures and keep suggesting it to them.


Keep suggesting it? Why do they care again? Maybe we should ask nicely for Hitler not to kill any Jews. I'll try that the next time I have access to a time machine. Asking nicely? That'll sure stop the Holocaust! I never thought of that!

Excuse me. I have to go somewhere my home planet can't track me so I can laugh 'til I leak guts.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #72 - Jul 31st, 2018 at 8:57am
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 30th, 2018 at 11:36pm:
Keep suggesting it? Why do they care again?
Federal mandates cost states a lot of money that they have to raise from taxing their people. This cuts into the amount of taxes they can raise for their own purposes. That's just one reason. Another is that many state governments are still fairly representative of the people that live there, and for the most part, those states are populated by people who don't favor "socialism" and are negatively impacted by the regulations of federal bureaucracies and have thought for a long time that the national government is out of control.

Here's an example of why states might not be entirely happy-

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-28/jpmorgan-qe-might-have-devastating-con...
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #73 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 9:09pm
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Venezuela's Maduro Pledges Change to Gasoline Policy

President Nicolas Maduro promised to roll out a new gasoline policy as Venezuela sinks deeper into crisis, with a three-hour power outage leaving its capital in the dark on Tuesday just as the president planned to address the nation.

After Caracas’ lights came back on, the socialist leader said his upcoming plan would ease a spiraling economic crisis that has caused rampant shortages of consumer staples and limited access to basic services.

Maduro announced that he would slash five zeros off the bolivar currency and conduct a nationwide census of vehicles.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-01/venezuela-s-maduro-pledges-ch...



It seems that the leader of Venezuela [Maduro] is completely mad.  Reducing the number of zeroes on the currency is NOT going to help 25,000% inflation!

So delusional!   
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #74 - Aug 1st, 2018 at 10:11pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 9:09pm:
It seems that the leader of Venezuela [Maduro] is completely mad.  Reducing the number of zeroes on the currency is NOT going to help 25,000% inflation!


What I would like to know is what happens to the huge currency already in circulation. Will it be confiscated? If so, that actually would reduce the money supply.

Jeff wrote on Jul 31st, 2018 at 8:57am:
Federal mandates cost states a lot of money that they have to raise from taxing their people. This cuts into the amount of taxes they can raise for their own purposes. That's just one reason. Another is that many state governments are still fairly representative of the people that live there,


That's nice. The question is what the people can actually do when the states stop caring about how much they have to tax people and stop being representative of the people.
  

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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #75 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 8:20am
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 10:11pm:
The question is what the people can actually do when the states stop caring about how much they have to tax people and stop being representative of the people.
There are a lot of options, up to and including violent revolution.

I prefer non-violent uses of the law to control government. People in different states have different means available to them and differing populations with different ideas.

Anyway, sort of back on topic, it seems most all of South America is suffering from the socialist disease-

https://www.wsj.com/articles/im-totally-freaked-out-brazilians-weigh-a-farewell-...
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #76 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 11:59am
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 1st, 2018 at 10:11pm:
What I would like to know is what happens to the huge currency already in circulation. Will it be confiscated? If so, that actually would reduce the money supply?

  It's a ludicrous idea (removing 5 zeroes from the currency).  The Venezuelans have elected a moron as a leader.

They should call a "special election" to get a suitable replacement for Maduro.

In 2003, Californians held a Special Election to recall Gov. Gray Davis.   Davis' performance was so horrendous, we removed him from office.
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #77 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 4:47pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 11:59am:
  It's a ludicrous idea (removing 5 zeroes from the currency).  The Venezuelans have elected a moron as a leader.

They should call a "special election" to get a suitable replacement for Maduro.

 
Isn't the IMF and/or the World Bank supposed to bail them out?

Has that quit working?

When is the last time Venezuelans had a fair election?

For as long as I can remember, they used your system and created a test, and severely penalized/persecuted anyone who openly opposed them or voted against them.

Votes and opinions against them were both suppressed.

Edit:"Special Elections" aren't fair are they? No. They are "Special", that's how people like Maduro and Young Kim keep getting elected overwhelmingly. Putin too.


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Reply #78 - Aug 6th, 2018 at 8:05pm
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #79 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 1:52pm
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To visualize the uber-inflation in Venezuela,  on July 30, one ounce of gold would have cost 211 million Bolivars—an increase of more than 3.1 million % from just the beginning of the year.

  
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