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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #80 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:02pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 6th, 2018 at 8:05pm:


The two pictures represent the actual greatest flaw of socialism: When you feed everyone, the population explodes, and then you can't feed anyone anymore.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #81 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:09pm
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The thing is folks, you're all feeling that you are threatened by socialism. That says a lot about your own insecurities that are a part of being libertarians with an unimaginable and unrealistic agenda.

In Canada, we don't feel threatened by socialism to anywhere near the same degree. Granted, we have some extreme rightist expressing that fear but that is onlly their efforts to lead our country further to the extreme right or the US system.

The Fraser institute spouts off continuously about their hopes of our health care system failing, but we know that's not going to happen. Even so the folks at Fraser see huge $$$$ soigns over the prospect of introducing something similar to the failed US system.

Canada's government is simply socially responsible capitalism, or at least, capitalism that is much more socially responsible than the US system.

If ya-all want to have bad dreams of commies hiding under your beds waiting to bite off your toes, then fill yer murican boots!

I'm really gettinig tired of talking to people with such childish attitudes toward bringinb about  good government.
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #82 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:16pm
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 2:02pm:
The two pictures represent the actual greatest flaw of socialism: When you feed everyone, the population explodes, and then you can't feed anyone anymore.

It's an uncomfortable truth, but (nearly all) humans have an innate desire to acquire wealth and be successful.

Government will never be able to provide these things - they must be done by the individual.   

This is why Socialism always results in discontent of the people, widespread poverty, and ultimately, failure.

Capitalism rewards those who acquire wealth and become successful.   

If we introduce (socialist) Income Tax/redistribution into capitalist society, it punishes the productive people and causes them to dream up ways to minimize their Income Tax liability. I've become quite adept at this.

"The Income Tax created more criminals than any other single act of government." - Barry Goldwater
  
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Reply #83 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:21pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:16pm:
 

If we introduce (socialist) Income Tax/redistribution into capitalist society, it punishes the productive people and causes them to dream up ways to minimize their Income Tax liability.


Capitalism already introduced it hundreds of years ago. Where were you?


Perhaps you should have been visiting the Soviet Union when you had the chance. That would have afforded you an example of the extreme left without income taxation.

Now all you can do is summon up some commies hiding under your bed.
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #84 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:29pm
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Capitalism already introduced it hundreds of years ago. Where were you?

Hey, I may be old, but I'm not THAT old!   Grin    Grin    Grin
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #85 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 10:36pm
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Venezuelan leader Maduro reluctantly announced that socialism is failing, and austerity measures must now be implemented.

First on the agenda will be free gasoline.  Currently, in Venezuela, a tank of gasoline costs a penny.  Yes, you read that right - ONE CENT.

But to put things into perspective, the average monthly salary is only $1 in Venezuela. so a tank of gasoline costs roughly 1/100th of a month's salary.   Which is fairly comparable to what Americans pay for gasoline.

But as an austerity measure, Maduro may raise that price to TWO cents for a tank of gasoline. 

Don't laugh...  that's the equivalent of Gasoline in the US going from $2.89/gallon  to $5.78/gallon.   Shocked

That would really hurt many Venezuelans.

But each citizen may apply for a "carnet de la patria"  - a special exemption to the hike so they can continue to buy gasoline for a penny/tankful.

Isn't socialism wonderful?
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #86 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 9:50am
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Capitalism already introduced it hundreds of years ago. Where were you?

Capitalism is not a system of government, it's what people do when they have economic liberty.

Progressive taxes for the purpose of wealth redistribution are the creation of "progressive" government.
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #87 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 10:21am
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More about the engineered convergence of the U.S. "system" with the Chinese and Soviet "systems"-

http://thecrux.com/the-grand-irony-of-russiagate-the-u-s-becomes-more-like-the-u...

Here's a hint Thingy, none of this was caused by free markets!

"Progressives" worked long and hard to create this new U.S. "system".
  
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Reply #88 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 11:00am
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Jeff wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 10:21am:
More about the engineered convergence of the U.S. "system" with the Chinese and Soviet "systems"-

http://thecrux.com/the-grand-irony-of-russiagate-the-u-s-becomes-more-like-the-u...

Here's a hint Thingy, none of this was caused by free markets!

"Progressives" worked long and hard to create this new U.S. "system".


I don't have the time to read that whole article right now but I will because it begins with some interesting points.

Nobody in Canada wants pure socialism and few want more than we already have. We've reached a balance that works. And nobody in wealthy first world countries want pure socialism either.

When a rich country starts to lean socialist and want more socialism is when they have been pushed to a point at which they understand they're not getting a fair shake out of what they have at present.

Therein lies the similarities between the making of the Soviet Union and the present day US.

And therein lies the method of how to rescue a country's people. Then, they start all over again with communism/socialism and slowly evolve to become a capitalist country once again.

My biggest fear for Canada is that the greedy capitalists will wrestle more and more power over perhaps the next 20 or 30 years and we will descend into the turmoil and unhappiness that is present day US. That's what has the potential to create a communist system.

That's a system in which all the people do better than the average American of today, but all incentive to do better is taken away. It becomes a country in transition.

Communism or pure socialism are flawed systems. We know that. But what some people don't understand is that captalism that is unfettered and unregulated is just as fatally flawed. Hence, the present day US and the people grasping at straws and hopeless dreams such as the LP in it's present state of impossibilities and pies in the sky.

Greedy capitalism is moving the US at a rapid pace toward embracing socialist reform, and it's simply because the people are not getting a piece of the pie. Will it be sensible and moderate reform or will it be to an excess as was the communist takeover which became the Soviet Union?

I think it depends on how long the inevitable is postponed.

I hope that's the jist of the crux piece. If not then it's a waste of cyber space.
  
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Re: After seeing the collapse of the socialist Venezuela economy
Reply #89 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 11:20am
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Jeff wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 10:21am:
More about the engineered convergence of the U.S. "system" with the Chinese and Soviet "systems"-

http://thecrux.com/the-grand-irony-of-russiagate-the-u-s-becomes-more-like-the-u...

"Progressives" worked long and hard to create this new U.S. "system".

"Case in point: inflation. The masses consuming the mainstream media apparently accept the Big Lie that inflation (i.e. loss of purchasing power of our money) is 2%, i.e. near zero."

Yep  -   Inflation = Tax and inflation is obviously WAY higher than the 2% that is reported.   

The actual inflation is probably closer to 7%  or 8% per yr.

If people knew the actual inflation rate, it would implode the entire system.

https://www.businessinsider.com/if-people-knew-the-actual-inflation-rate-it-woul...
  
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