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Re: The Libertarian Party needs change
Reply #10 - Jul 28th, 2018 at 8:41am
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Land of Freedom wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 5:21pm:
To compete the LP would need millions to run ads. Hundreds of millions.


True. We could make a much stronger case to voters with at least 1-2 Senators, and 30-50 congressman. If we get at least that many in the Federal government we could direct whether legislation passes or fails, controlling what becomes law. We don't need much.
  

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Re: The Libertarian Party needs change
Reply #11 - Jul 28th, 2018 at 8:51am
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 11:47am:
The Libertarian Party candidate was a buffoon.  That's the LNC's fault. They must assume all the liability for that blunder. 

If the LP had a viable candidate like Ron Paul, we would have fared much better.

The LNC won't make that same mistake in 2020.  We'll fire their asses if they do.


I think we should work to fire them now. They already blew it. We need to replace them in our individual States, they don't have huge conventions, if we organize, we can take control.

Just one State would be enough to start getting State seats, and building a base of Congressman and Senators. This creates the environment for a challenge to either party in the area.

I believe Libertarianism has potential to take places in California and Texas. It has VERY broad appeal.
  

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Reply #12 - Jul 28th, 2018 at 11:41am
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 8:51am:
I think we should work to fire them now. They already blew it. We need to replace them in our individual States, they don't have huge conventions, if we organize, we can take control.


A great idea. But first we must ensure that there's a reliable candidate who's not just another buffoon, standing in the wings to take over. I think there might be a shortage of people who would advocate eliminating income tax completely, who isn't just another buffoon, so that idea would have to be worked on first. Otherwise, only moonbats would apply for the jobs.

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Just one State would be enough to start getting State seats, and building a base of Congressman and Senators. This creates the environment for a challenge to either party in the area.

I believe Libertarianism has potential to take places in California and Texas. It has VERY broad appeal.


I'm afraid that the LP has very little appeal as it is right now. The elections tell the true story. All of this can be fixed quickly before the next election by changing the libertarian party's platforms.

Nearly everything either has to go or be reformed or moderated.

The ideal of smaller government is a keeper but it must be discussed and done in a socially responsible way. My biggest fear for that one is that if libertarians keep dragging us down with extremism, the commie party will do it first!

Millennials are threatening and there's no doubt there's a commie under every American's bed! Two under double beds. LOL  Embarrassed
  
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Re: The Libertarian Party needs change
Reply #13 - Jul 28th, 2018 at 12:37pm
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 8:51am:
I believe Libertarianism has potential to take places in California and Texas. It has VERY broad appeal.

Indeed, it does.  And the more polarized the two major parties become, the greater the appeal for the LP!

The future looks bright for libertarianism.   Smiley
  
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Reply #14 - Jul 28th, 2018 at 12:47pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Indeed, it does.  And the more polarized the two major parties become, the greater the appeal for the LP!

The future looks bright for libertarianism.   Smiley


It's sad that our libertarian party doesn't have much appeal at all. But that is going to be changed when we reinterpret the agenda to mean something that is acceptable to the people.

A new interpretation of the NAP so it will make sense.

A real explanation of reducing the size of government and not just silly hinting at promoting private companies who make plastic straws.

An acceptance of income taxation in order to be consistent with reality and not some ignorant idea that would amount to complete destruction of the country.

Is there anything else or does that cover it? Anyway, if there is, it's a given that it needs fixing.
  
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Reply #15 - Jul 28th, 2018 at 12:49pm
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It's sad that our libertarian party doesn't have much appeal at all. But that is going to be changed when we reinterpret the agenda to mean something that is acceptable to the people.

A new interpretation of the NAP so it will make sense.

A real explanation of reducing the size of government and not just silly hinting at promoting private companies who make plastic straws.

An acceptance of income taxation in order to be consistent with reality and not some ignorant idea that would amount to complete destruction of the country.

Is there anything else or does that cover it? Anyway, if there is, it's a given that it needs fixing.

Stop it skychief, stop it right now. Before you destroy the last remaining good ideas our libertarian party has.

  
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Re: The Libertarian Party needs change
Reply #16 - Jul 28th, 2018 at 1:14pm
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It's sad that our libertarian party doesn't have much appeal at all. But that is going to be changed when we reinterpret the agenda to mean something that is acceptable to the people.

The libertarian agenda is not going to change, Grasshopper. We are discussing changes in the LP's leadership.


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A new interpretation of the NAP so it will make sense.

The NAP needs no "new interpretation".

The NAP means simply:    Aggression is wrong.    That's it.   Smiley  Not rocket science.

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An acceptance of income taxation in order to be consistent with reality and not some ignorant idea that would amount to complete destruction of the country.

Libertarians will always oppose income tax.  Income Tax directly violates the NAP:

"The Libertarian Party is fundamentally opposed to the use of force to coerce people into doing anything. We think it is inherently wrong and should have no role in a civilized society. Thus, we think that government forcing people to pay taxes is inherently wrong."

https://www.lp.org/issues/taxes/
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 28th, 2018 at 4:34pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
The libertarian agenda is not going to change, Grasshopper. We are discussing changes in the LP's leadership.


The NAP needs no "new interpretation".

The NAP means simply:    Aggression is wrong.    That's it.   Smiley  Not rocket science.

Libertarians will always oppose income tax.  Income Tax directly violates the NAP:

"The Libertarian Party is fundamentally opposed to the use of force to coerce people into doing anything. We think it is inherently wrong and should have no role in a civilized society. Thus, we think that government forcing people to pay taxes is inherently wrong."

https://www.lp.org/issues/taxes/


As long as you are controlled by feelings of resentment and extremist views, you're not worth talking to anymore. Change is going to happen without you.

Every regulation will be looked at closely and will be replaced with stronger regulations that have real teeth. This is libertarianism of the future.
  
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Re: The Libertarian Party needs change
Reply #18 - Jul 28th, 2018 at 4:42pm
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Land of Freedom wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 5:21pm:
To compete the LP would need millions to run ads. Hundreds of millions.


Another problem with our society: It's totally ad-driven, making the seller of a better product noncompetitive unless he shells out at least as much for advertisements.

Ironically this is a problem with capitalism.

Well, to be perfectly fair, this is a problem with capitalism + consumer stupidity. Arguably if everyone was highly intelligent, they wouldn't just mindlessly watch tele with their mouths agape and swallow whatever swill is poured wholesale down their gullets.

Arguably, though, in pure capitalism, the consumers who fell for ads would get a worse deal and the consumer who did research on his own would be able to find a better buy, select the nonadvertiser, and prosper over the fish-mouthed suckers.

Eventually this might cause a "lolads" movement, where consumers gradually began to understand that they are paying for those million-dollar super bowl ads, and reject those surcharges by choosing nonadvertisers.

With this population, though, you just can't get there from here.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #19 - Jul 28th, 2018 at 4:48pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 28th, 2018 at 4:42pm:
Another problem with our society: It's totally ad-driven, making the seller of a better product noncompetitive unless he shells out at least as much for advertisements.

Ironically this is a problem with capitalism.

Well, to be perfectly fair, this is a problem with capitalism + consumer stupidity. Arguably if everyone was highly intelligent, they wouldn't just mindlessly watch tele with their mouths agape and swallow whatever swill is poured wholesale down their gullets.

Arguably, though, in pure capitalism, the consumers who fell for ads would get a worse deal and the consumer who did research on his own would be able to find a better buy, select the nonadvertiser, and prosper over the fish-mouthed suckers.

Eventually this might cause a "lolads" movement, where consumers gradually began to understand that they are paying for those million-dollar super bowl ads, and reject those surcharges by choosing nonadvertisers.

With this population, though, you just can't get there from here.


Social responsibility can fix any flaws in a capitalist system. If it's not working then they're leaving out the social part..
  
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