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Jul 29th, 2018 at 4:50pm
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It's not political, but it has a left, which I will arbitrarily say is the set of people who have given themselves over totally to their lizard brains, or try to. They are the few radical extremists of the left.

At the other end of the spectrum, the right end, way out there, are extremists who try to conquer their lizard brains (and often believe that the only way they can do that is to destroy or control everyone's lizard brain).

Obviously you can expect bad results for extremists...

Libertarians, I will assert on experience and anecdotal knowledge and second hand accounts and reading history etc. are right in the middle.

They tend to be balanced responsible people who also like to have fun. They use the parts of their brain together, rather than fighting themselves internally like extremists do.

Notice that extremists are bunched up at both extreme ends...

I have to revise the spectrum, it is not a line with two ends, it's more of a circle, because the extremists from both ends overlap.

Red could explain it in technical mind scientist terms if he was here.



  
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Reply #1 - Jul 30th, 2018 at 9:32am
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Are you familiar with the political compass, I think its a better model for the spectrum  of political though.
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 30th, 2018 at 10:40am
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ahhell wrote on Jul 30th, 2018 at 9:32am:
Are you familiar with the political compass, I think its a better model for the spectrum  of political though. 
I am familiar with many ways of dividing people up on a political spectrum and a variety of terms used to identify what are generally seen as political identities like 'libertarian" "right" "left" "liberal'' "conservative" "fascist" "socialist" "Nazi" etc.

I think a circle with libertarians at one side and extremists of all sorts at the opposite side is more accurate, and think that the explanation is as I said, that some extremists have given their lizard brains free rein and the other extremists are trying to completely suppress their lizard brains and rely solely on their cerebral cortex... And the extremists do overlap no matter which sort of limit they put on their brains.

Any way you choose to lay it out, libertarians end up in the middle because they make the most full use of their brains. Smiley
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 3rd, 2018 at 4:56pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 29th, 2018 at 4:50pm:
It's not political, but it has a left, which I will arbitrarily say is the set of people who have given themselves over totally to their lizard brains, or try to. They are the few radical extremists of the left.

At the other end of the spectrum, the right end, way out there, are extremists who try to conquer their lizard brains (and often believe that the only way they can do that is to destroy or control everyone's lizard brain).

Obviously you can expect bad results for extremists...

Libertarians, I will assert on experience and anecdotal knowledge and second hand accounts and reading history etc. are right in the middle.

They tend to be balanced responsible people who also like to have fun. They use the parts of their brain together, rather than fighting themselves internally like extremists do.

Notice that extremists are bunched up at both extreme ends...

I have to revise the spectrum, it is not a line with two ends, it's more of a circle, because the extremists from both ends overlap.

Red could explain it in technical mind scientist terms if he was here.





Thank you for mentioning me, Jeff.  I've been gone a while and haven't had much time to lurk.  I'll explain why in another thread.

Yes, you have rediscovered what Freud called the id, the ego and the super-ego which you put in that order on a left to right spectrum.  There was a lot of attention in the pop psychology community in the seventies for transactional analysis in which the terms child, adult and parent are substituted for id, ego and super ego.

Well done and I think you have deconstructed the differences between those who which to control, those who wish to do as they please at all times and those who want a reasonable system of protection for people's rights. 

One thing I would add is that many those lizard brainers are knowingly or unknowingly relying on controllers to force people to pay for their permanent leisure class lifestyle.  I'm thinking of people who are "baby-daddy" to multiple welfare recipients and the baby-mammas who complain that their Obama/Trump phones don't have bigger data limits.

  

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Reply #4 - Aug 3rd, 2018 at 5:06pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 4:56pm:
Yes, you have rediscovered what Freud called the id, the ego and the super-ego which you put in that order on a left to right spectrum.

Sorry, I was actually talking more about the structure of the human brain, and how different functions of different parts of the brain can act in conflict or in cooperation, to the detriment or benefit of the individual human.

My spectra have become circular rather than straight line. I'm contemplating trying to expand them to four dimensions, but probably won't be able to.

If you know a mind scientist who is Freudian, you should report it... Or provide a link so we can see what it has to say. Thanks.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 4th, 2018 at 2:54pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Aug 3rd, 2018 at 4:56pm:
I'm thinking of people who are "baby-daddy" to multiple welfare recipients and the baby-mammas who complain that their Obama/Trump phones don't have bigger data limits.


I do not own a cell phone. A lot of people off welfare don't. I have to think about whether that $50 a month is worth it.

But honestly I don't care that they have those phones on my dime. Screaming that it's my money and they have better than I do is part of that controlling BS Jeff is mentioning. Remember, this is a thread about human behaviour, not property rights.

I've never cared except in the vein that they can afford to reproduce and I can't. I don't give a shit if they have more stuff. I just think allowing worthless (in that they're nonproductive) welfare queens to have eight babies and me to have none is dysgenic and ultimately that hurts everyone.

Ideally the government should just take supergeniuses like me and create a slave population. I'm better off, because I get to reproduce. They're better off, because they don't have to deal with the collapse their dysgenic reproduction is brewing. They want all the stuff? They can have it. I don't care about stuff. I never have.
  

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There are spirals involved. I discovered that while trying to see a sphere of human behavior rather than a circle.

It looks like locally ordered chaos that once again becomes ordered on an astronomical level... Maybe.
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 4th, 2018 at 4:48pm
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 2:54pm:
Ideally the government should just take supergeniuses like me and create a slave population.
You are asking to be made a slave of some government at the same time you claim to be a supergenius? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Edit: If all supergeniuses are put in a scientific breeding program by some government, the result will be inbred idiots. It won't take long...

Look what's happened in U.S. Colleges and Universities. Shocked (To the staff, not the students.)
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 4th, 2018 at 6:00pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
You are asking to be made a slave of some government at the same time you claim to be a supergenius?


Yup. I'm asking to be property because a highly valuable resource that is property is protected, and a highly valuable resource that is not property is squandered.

You need rights because no one needs you. You're not a resource, let alone a valuable one. Without rights, you'd be gunned down and all your stuff stolen.

Jeff wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 4:48pm:
Edit: If all supergeniuses are put in a scientific breeding program by some government, the result will be inbred idiots. It won't take long...


Doesn't understand how inbreeding works. It enhances the traits you're breeding for at the cost of everything else.

By your logic you can't breed pretty pigeons because the result of inbreeding will automatically be ugly pigeons.



Hmm. I guess this is all photoshop.

You want an example of inbreeding for intellect? Collies. Heart problems, epilepsy, eye problems, and their intellects are greater than the wild wolf, measured by problem solving. Every other domestic dog is dumber than the wild wolf by far.
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 4th, 2018 at 7:26pm
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 6:00pm:
Yup. I'm asking to be property because a highly valuable resource that is property is protected, and a highly valuable resource that is not property is squandered.

You are making a huge assumption that some government will see you as a valuable resource...
  
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