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Re: A Spectrum of Human Behavior
Reply #30 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 12:46pm
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I think that libertarianism as it's being interpreted here on this forum is somewhere outside the circle, with a few ideas breaking through to inside the circle. For example, it's certain that the notion of there being no taxation or especially no income taxation, can never be inside the circle.

Opposition to Income Tax is actually one of our core principles, Dink.

Libertarians believe that an individual's income belongs to the individual - not the government.

I know this makes no sense to you,  but I can tell you that this core principle will never change.

You should look for more socialist political ideologies - like the Green Party.

They favor:

• heavy progressive taxes on corporations. 

• Universal Basic Income  (redistribution of wealth)

• Heavy PROGRESSIVE TAXATION on the wealthy - NO Flat Tax.
  
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Reply #31 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 3:44pm
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Eliminating income taxation as a core libertarian principle is extremely important right now. We're not going anywhere as long as that kind of dream world nonsense is a part of our agenda.

I have confidence in libertarianism and that means that I have confidence in it being dropped as excess baggage.

In truth, it probably already has been. Nobody but the Chief babbles on about it anymore on this forum.  Embarrassed
  
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Re: A Spectrum of Human Behavior
Reply #32 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 4:47pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
Opposition to Income Tax is actually one of our core principles, Dink.

Libertarians believe that an individual's income belongs to the individual - not the government.

Some libertarians believe that, usually those off in the anarchist extreme, which, in the circlular model of human behavior, abuts and intermingles with the radical extremists coming from the other way around the circumference...

Extremists are usually so confused they will ally themselves with their theoretical enemies as long as the are all extremists.

Red can explain it all in mind scientist terms.


  
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Re: A Spectrum of Human Behavior
Reply #33 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 4:51pm
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Eliminating income taxation as a core libertarian principle is extremely important right now. We're not going anywhere as long as that kind of dream world nonsense is a part of our agenda.

I have confidence in libertarianism and that means that I have confidence in it being dropped as excess baggage.

In truth, it probably already has been. Nobody but the Chief babbles on about it anymore on this forum.  Embarrassed

You're going to be very frustrated, Dink.  Libertarians will always oppose taxation:

"Are you a slave to the IRS?

The Libertarian Party is the only party bold enough to champion real reforms such as abolishing the IRS or forcing government to live within its means."


Nicholas Sarwark
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https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/is-taxation-theft

The Green Party offers heavy, progressive income taxes on corporations and for the rich, and they support wealth redistribution!  Won't you at least give them a look?   

http://www.gp.org/
  
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Reply #34 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 4:53pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
You're going to be very frustrated, Dink.  Libertarians will always oppose taxation:

"Are you a slave to the IRS?

The Libertarian Party is the only party bold enough to champion real reforms such as abolishing the IRS or forcing government to live within its means."


Nicholas Sarwark
Chair, Libertarian National Committee

https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/is-taxation-theft

The Green Party offers heavy, progressive income taxes on corporations and for the rich, and they support wealth redistribution!  Won't you at least give them a look?   

http://www.gp.org/   


I think that's a wrap chief. Talk to Jeff if there's any more confusion on your part.
  
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Reply #35 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 4:58pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 4:47pm:
Some libertarians believe that, usually those off in the anarchist extreme, which, in the circlular model of human behavior, abuts and intermingles with the radical extremists coming from the other way around the circumference...

Extremists are usually so confused they will ally themselves with their theoretical enemies as long as the are all extremists.

Red can explain it all in mind scientist terms.[/b]



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That is so true! The other truth is that moderates can eventually come to agreement on just about everything.

Moderation is a word with meaning. It's left for us to agree on just how much income tax is the right amount. It doesn't even have to be said that everybody wants to pay less.

Bad government falls into the trap of seeing which political persuasion can promise the most and then fail to deliver.
  
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Re: A Spectrum of Human Behavior
Reply #36 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 4:59pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 4:47pm:
Some libertarians believe that, usually those off in the anarchist extreme, which, in the circlular model of human behavior, abuts and intermingles with the radical extremists coming from the other way around the circumference...

Extremists are usually so confused they will ally themselves with their theoretical enemies as long as the are all extremists.

Red can explain it all in mind scientist terms.



That's a very misleading statement, and I won't let it go unchallenged.

You're trying to imply that only extremist libertarians oppose Income Tax. 

That's BS, and you know it.

The truth is, it the Libertarian Party's position that Income Tax is WRONG. And it IS.

Sure, there are a few libertarians who favor an Income Tax. But let's not pretend that's the norm, because it certainly isn't.  You are what I refer to as "fringe" libertarians - meaning you share some libertarian ideals but falter on fundamental core issues.

My income belongs to me.

Your income belongs to YOU.

"Let me offer you my definition of social justice: I keep what I earn and you keep what you earn. Do you disagree? Well then tell me how much of what I earn belongs to you - and why?"
- Walter E. Williams
  
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Re: A Spectrum of Human Behavior
Reply #37 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 5:03pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 4:51pm:
You're going to be very frustrated, Dink.  Libertarians will always oppose taxation:

Then very few people will ever vote for them. Only libertines, but most libertines are smart enough to know that they are most free in civilized societies, and that means taxation.


I'm going to start a blog Libertines for Civilized Taxation.
  
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Reply #38 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 5:04pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 4:59pm:
That's a very misleading statement, and I won't let it go unchallenged.

You're trying to imply that only extremist libertarians oppose Income Tax. 

That's BS, and you know it.

The truth is, it the Libertarian Party's position that Income Tax is WRONG. And it IS.

Sure, there are a few libertarians who favor an Income Tax. But let's not pretend that's the norm, because it certainly isn't.  You are what I refer to as "fringe" libertarians - meaning you share some libertarian ideals but falter on fundamental core issues.

My income belongs to me.

Your income belongs to YOU.

"Let me offer you my definition of social justice: I keep what I earn and you keep what you earn. Do you disagree? Well then tell me how much of what I earn belongs to you - and why?"
- Walter E. Williams


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