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The National Liberty Party - an Evolution of the Libertarian Party
Aug 4th, 2018 at 2:12pm
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As of late, I have pondered what is to be done with the Libertarian Party. It has name recognition, but it is seen as a party of principled individuals without a way of implementing their idealized agenda.

This must change. With the Philosphy of Pragmatism, we have half a silver bullet; what we need to win elections. The other half is the salvation of the American worker, which is one of the most put upon divisions of the American electorate, one that hasn't been represented in politics until Trump knocked on that door.

This is a political opening, a way through the door for minimal pragmatic governance with concentration on the individual to be implemented. We mustn't pass on this opportunity, it is OUR time to obtain power.

The other angle to this is known corruption in politics, with many potential voters choosing to not vote on principle, saying, they won't vote for someone they believe is accomplishing the agenda of some other power, other than the voter.

Many voted for an open SOCIALIST, despite his political persuasion, in the name of throwing corruption out of politics, and breaking up rigged economics through the big banks.

We have the opportunity to implement a political platform, that stands for American workers with proper Trade, banning Lobbyists, promising to enforce Anti-Trust, and ending the Income Tax through the elimination of Subsidies.

This new party, would be very popular. I am looking for men to have at my back, for when we go into the meetings, to beat it into the heads of the leadership, the need for the changes we wish to achieve. To vote these incompetent bastards out, and to replace them with individuals who will not select candidates like that of Gary Johnson. I seek to be the Chairman of the Libertarian Party.

This sect of new Nationalist Libertarianism, would be called "The National Liberty Party". This with a successful absorption of the Party apperatice, would be just another name for the old party, with Libertarian being on ballots in all fifty states.

The reason for this name, is to sell a product to voters. Every candidate votes for the same basic principles, it reminds individuals that you can vote for them across the nation, its shorter and more simple.

If you vote National Liberty, you're a "Libertarian". It's smoother, and says your part of an agenda. All candidates except for extreme exceptions would come from the military; Marines, National Guard, Airman, anyone with a honorable record.

These individuals and party leaders would have uniforms inspired by George Washington's Uniform with mild modern changes, and would look new, clean, and professional.

This would give us more notoriety, and would command attention when an individual appears in media. This would go hand in hand with open conventions.

The Conventions would have samples of a new world run by Libertarians, of new architecture inspired by the Roman Republic, but with a modern interpretation with limited light, and live orchestra playing the classics; Wagner, Mozart, Beethoven.

They would hand out Salt Water Taffy, Cotton Candy, and Funnel Cake; giving an atmosphere of Patriotism and Tradition. Party representitives would greet newcomers with dignity, and propriety.

Lastly, I am investigating individuals to become donors into this new cause. There are many wealthy Libertarians investing in the future, I merely ask them to believe in a political one as well.

Forever Liberty!
  

Andrew J Armao
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Re: The National Liberty Party - an Evolution of the Libertarian Party
Reply #1 - Aug 4th, 2018 at 3:16pm
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 2:12pm:
banning Lobbyists


Lobbying is just advocacy, and covered under free speech. I agree that it's the main cause of corruption, but your solution is terribly aggressive.

Tell people they can't give another person a gift? Aggression.

Tell people they can't stand up for the policies they want, directly to the lawmakers? Aggression.

You see the problem, I hope.

You'll have more success turning libertarianism into the party of elite dominance and worker abuse, and you can stand on principle. You have to actually press open borders, causing workers to flood in and vote for you. No capital will be coming, just labour, dramatically disintegrating the value of labour.

Next, stop workers from voting. Only property owners should vote.

Land of Freedom wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 11:14pm:
A democracy where people can come in and vote "un-libertarian" policies isn't a libertarian society to begin with. In a libertarian society only the owners of land would vote so if new people come in they would have to buy land to have any vote or say in the rules, laws.


...So you gotta get workers off that land. Push for higher property taxes only the super-rich can pay. You have to make it impractical for a worker to own a home. Now everyone's a renter.

Once you have control, repeal any laws that protect the worker, along with minimum wage. They're aggressive laws, after all.

Now you actually implement libertarian policy, because you have the control. Dissolve the police and replace it with pay-for private security companies. End taxation, and it doesn't matter now for the workers because they're basically slaves anyway.

Libertarianism. Realised.

You just have to follow the steps.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #2 - Aug 4th, 2018 at 5:04pm
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 3:16pm:
I agree that it's the main cause of corruption...
I disagree. It is not.

Lobbying only exists because corrupt government officials and bureaucrats are offering favors for sale rather than reporting attempts at influence peddling and bribery.

If every lobbyist who approached Washington City was subjected to a thorough background check and required to state their business in Washington City in writing with their certified signature, including who they intend to do business with, and pay a fee to cover the cost of ensuring they aren't greedy corrupt cronies, it would discourage the worst of them for a while.
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 4th, 2018 at 6:07pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
If every lobbyist who approached Washington City was subjected to a thorough background check and required to state their business in Washington City in writing with their certified signature, including who they intend to do business with, and pay a fee to cover the cost of ensuring they aren't greedy corrupt cronies,


...then that would be aggression, Crabhat.
  

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Reply #4 - Aug 4th, 2018 at 7:34pm
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 6:07pm:
...then that would be aggression, Crabhat.
I was thinking of it as a way to expose corruption.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 4th, 2018 at 11:24pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
I was thinking of it as a way to expose corruption.


And whenever I propose a practical solution, you shit all over it because it's aggression and it violates rights. All solutions that work do that, Crabhat.
  

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Reply #6 - Aug 5th, 2018 at 6:59am
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 11:24pm:
And whenever I propose a practical solution, you shit all over it because it's aggression and it violates rights. All solutions that work do that, Crabhat.
No, free markets work without requiring any aggression, but the thieves and shysters and cheaters who defraud people and steal their property have to be controlled for a free market to work. This is best done by using the law against them, which is not aggression but rather a response to aggression that attempts to stop aggression by punishing aggressors.


  
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Reply #7 - Aug 5th, 2018 at 8:00am
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Jeff wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 6:59am:
No, free markets work without requiring any aggression, but the thieves and shysters and cheaters who defraud people and steal their property have to be controlled for a free market to work. This is best done by using the law against them, which is not aggression but rather a response to aggression that attempts to stop aggression by punishing aggressors.


You can't define aggression out of being aggression. Stopping voluntary transactions, including bribes, is aggression.
  

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The Opposition wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 8:00am:
You can't define aggression out of being aggression. Stopping voluntary transactions, including bribes, is aggression.
Bribing elected officials is a crime, not a legitimate business transaction. The payment made by elected officials or bureaucrats in return for bribes is not theirs to give or trade.
  
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Re: The National Liberty Party - an Evolution of the Libertarian Party
Reply #9 - Aug 5th, 2018 at 1:03pm
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Aug 4th, 2018 at 2:12pm:
[the Libertarian Party] is seen as a party of principled individuals without a way of implementing their idealized agenda.

This must change. With the Philosphy of Pragmatism,

We have the opportunity to implement a political platform... ending the Income Tax through the elimination of Subsidies.

I seek to be the Chairman of the Libertarian Party.

You have my vote, Andrew!    Smiley
  
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