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Re: The National Liberty Party - an Evolution of the Libertarian Party
Reply #10 - Aug 5th, 2018 at 2:23pm
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By changing "Libertarian Party" name to "The National Liberty Party" could perhaps result in all current ballot access being revoked unless sufficient quantities of signatures were delivered to every State Secretary of State.
  
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Reply #11 - Aug 5th, 2018 at 2:36pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 2:23pm:
By changing "Libertarian Party" name to "The National Liberty Party" could perhaps result in all current ballot access being revoked unless sufficient quantities of signatures were delivered to every State Secretary of State.
Yes, it would be a new and different party and would have to start from scratch. They should consider infiltrating the Republican party and taking it over, changing it into what they want the National Libertarian Party to be. They could do that by running as Republicans, like Trump did.
  
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Re: The National Liberty Party - an Evolution of the Libertarian Party
Reply #12 - Aug 5th, 2018 at 3:06pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 2:36pm:
They should consider infiltrating the Republican party and taking it over, changing it into what they want the National Libertarian Party to be. They could do that by running as Republicans, like Trump did.

Ron Paul tried this in 2008, and again in 2012.  We all know what a failure that was.  Fox News MSM mocked and marginalized him. 

A libertarian needs to run as a Libertarian.

It doesn't make any sense to trick voters.  That would only cause backlash and resentment.
  
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Re: The National Liberty Party - an Evolution of the Libertarian Party
Reply #13 - Aug 5th, 2018 at 4:15pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 3:06pm:
Ron Paul tried this in 2008, and again in 2012.  We all know what a failure that was.
This is from a wiki biography-

"Ronald Ernest Paul (born August 20, 1935) is an American author, physician, and retired politician who served as the U.S. Representative for Texas's 22nd congressional district from 1976 to 1977 and again from 1979 to 1985, and for Texas's 14th congressional district from 1997 to 2013."

All of those years, he ran as a Republican and kept getting elected to the U.S. House.

He needed more help than he got from Republicans, but he got elected.

That was not a failure.
  
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Reply #14 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:58pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 3:06pm:
Ron Paul tried this in 2008, and again in 2012.  We all know what a failure that was.  Fox News MSM mocked and marginalized him. 

A libertarian needs to run as a Libertarian.

It doesn't make any sense to trick voters.  That would only cause backlash and resentment.


The RNC is too corrupt to work through. The Tea Party was easily crushed within that party. The greatest strength of the Libertarian party is also its biggest weakness; they dont hold office on a big scale.

If we work through the existing apperatice and organize, we can be Anti-Corruption with belief in common sense, not bought-off governing.

Cortez in the Democrat party will eventually be partitioned out of the party and be a flat out Socialist. I see four major party lines in 12 years, because the two ruling parties are unwilling to change. Nationalism is the opening to siphon off Republicans and some working class Democrats.
  

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Reply #15 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 8:40pm
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
The RNC is too corrupt to work through. The Tea Party was easily crushed within that party. The greatest strength of the Libertarian party is also its biggest weakness; they dont hold office on a big scale.

If we work through the existing apperatice and organize, we can be Anti-Corruption with belief in common sense, not bought-off governing.

Cortez in the Democrat party will eventually be partitioned out of the party and be a flat out Socialist. I see four major party lines in 12 years, because the two ruling parties are unwilling to change. Nationalism is the opening to siphon off Republicans and some working class Democrats.


Just read your OP Andrew. Some of it sounds encouraging in that you are talking about some progressive* change. But then when you get into the details in some depth it sounds like you're promoting neo-Nazism. Are you?

It even sounds like you are not trying to hide any promotion of neo-Nazism. Forgive me if I'm wrong Andrew.

* progressive in the true sense of the word, which is derived from progress. Not the US connotation for leftist.
  
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Re: The National Liberty Party - an Evolution of the Libertarian Party
Reply #16 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 11:04pm
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
If we work through the existing apperatice and organize, we can be Anti-Corruption with belief in common sense, not bought-off governing...

Nationalism is the opening to siphon off Republicans and some working class Democrats.

I think you're right. 

This is why Trump was elected - the voters knew he couldn't be bought.  (They also knew Hillary was a crook)

Libertarians need to run as libertarians, and stay focused on the issues.  Frustrated republicans and #WalkAway dems will naturally gravitate towards the LP as their old Parties self-destruct.
  
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Re: The National Liberty Party - an Evolution of the Libertarian Party
Reply #17 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:22am
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Andrew_Armao wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Nationalism is the opening to siphon off Republicans and some working class Democrats.
Trump has the Nationalists in his pocket I think, why would they desert him for some unknown powerless libertarians?

I'm still trying to figure out what a "Nationalist" LP would have to offer that the current LP doesn't?

Isn't this one aspect of "nationalism"?-

http://reason.com/blog/2018/08/08/tariffs-kill-another-126-jobs?utm_medium=email

And this another?-

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/08/china-announces-25percent-tariffs-on-16-billion-...

The tariffs are all about "putting America first", which is nationalism, but they hurt Americans, and the pain is going to keep increasing...

Edit: I see this in your original post Andrew, where you said-

"We have the opportunity to implement a political platform, that stands for American workers with proper Trade, banning Lobbyists, promising to enforce Anti-Trust, and ending the Income Tax through the elimination of Subsidies."

Let's start with "proper trade"... What do you mean by that?
  
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Reply #18 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 12:26pm
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Here's what stood out conspicuously in your OP Andrew:

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This new party, would be very popular. I am looking for men to have at my back, for when we go into the meetings, to beat it into the heads of the leadership, the need for the changes we wish to achieve. To vote these incompetent bastards out, and to replace them with individuals who will not select candidates like that of Gary Johnson. I seek to be the Chairman of the Libertarian Party.

This sect of new Nationalist Libertarianism, would be called "The National Liberty Party". This with a successful absorption of the Party apperatice, would be just another name for the old party, with Libertarian being on ballots in all fifty states.

The reason for this name, is to sell a product to voters. Every candidate votes for the same basic principles, it reminds individuals that you can vote for them across the nation, its shorter and more simple.

If you vote National Liberty, you're a "Libertarian". It's smoother, and says your part of an agenda. All candidates except for extreme exceptions would come from the military; Marines, National Guard, Airman, anyone with a honorable record.

These individuals and party leaders would have uniforms inspired by George Washington's Uniform with mild modern changes, and would look new, clean, and professional.


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The Conventions would have samples of a new world run by Libertarians, of new architecture inspired by the Roman Republic, but with a modern interpretation with limited light, and live orchestra playing the classics; Wagner, Mozart, Beethoven.


Would brown uniforms be the preference, or black? And how would the name NALI sound for an alternative name?
  
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Re: The National Liberty Party - an Evolution of the Libertarian Party
Reply #19 - Aug 11th, 2018 at 1:36am
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Jeff wrote on Aug 9th, 2018 at 6:22am:
Trump has the Nationalists in his pocket I think, why would they desert him for some unknown powerless libertarians?

I'm still trying to figure out what a "Nationalist" LP would have to offer that the current LP doesn't?

Isn't this one aspect of "nationalism"?-

http://reason.com/blog/2018/08/08/tariffs-kill-another-126-jobs?utm_medium=email

And this another?-

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/08/china-announces-25percent-tariffs-on-16-billion-...

The tariffs are all about "putting America first", which is nationalism, but they hurt Americans, and the pain is going to keep increasing...

Edit: I see this in your original post Andrew, where you said-

"We have the opportunity to implement a political platform, that stands for American workers with proper Trade, banning Lobbyists, promising to enforce Anti-Trust, and ending the Income Tax through the elimination of Subsidies."

Let's start with "proper trade"... What do you mean by that?


In a free trade system, countries with the lowest value currency reap the most benefit. It is to my knowledge, a way to build up satellite countries which mind you, probably don't share in beliefs of Liberality.

It is a drug that when injected, one feels immediate relief, but for when the tolerance kicks in (The weaker currency becoming the same value) that you see Chinese and Mexican made goods for expensive prices, with now American Manufacturers left without work.
  

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