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Re: Why Globalization is a Problem
Reply #30 - Dec 27th, 2018 at 9:49pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 29th, 2018 at 9:03pm:
We are tribal - it's programmed in our DNA!


This is why it's such a good catchall demonisation for PC enthusiasts like Jeff to employ: It literally describes everyone. It's great when you want to put someone on the defensive.

The whole reason people are tribal is that the instant some people become non-tribal, the guys who are still tribal just kill them off.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Why Globalization is a Problem
Reply #31 - Dec 28th, 2018 at 8:35am
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 27th, 2018 at 9:49pm:
This is why it's such a good catchall demonisation for PC enthusiasts like Jeff to employ: It literally describes everyone. It's great when you want to put someone on the defensive.

The whole reason people are tribal is that the instant some people become non-tribal, the guys who are still tribal just kill them off.
The liberal vision of libertarians is that we are all members of the human tribe. It's inclusive rather than exclusive. All tribes are welcome so long as they respect the rights of individuals, including the right of individuals to join or form their own tribes.

One of the very libertarian ideas embodied in the creation of America runs along those lines. We are all Americans, but we are free to to live in exclusive tribes of any sort we prefer. We can start (or move into) religious communities or hippy communes. We can chose to make our communities very different than other communities within the same city town or state. We can choose to move to towns or states that are very different one from another.

If you are a member of a tribe that wants to kill "others" you are illiberal and will run afoul of American law if you put your illiberal ideas into practice.


  
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Reply #32 - Dec 28th, 2018 at 5:03pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 27th, 2018 at 12:18pm:
To accomplish a given goal, 2 things are required:  The will and the means.

Today, 1 rupee is only worth a little more than 1¢.  So you're right - India is a long way from becoming a global hegemon. 

I think India has the will to lead the New World Order - but not the means.  Not yet.


Yes, it is early days yet.  But preparations are underway...
  
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Reply #33 - Dec 29th, 2018 at 4:54pm
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BobK71 wrote on Dec 28th, 2018 at 5:03pm:
Yes, it is early days yet.  But preparations are underway...
Government planners everywhere are planning. Private citizens everywhere are covering their butts if they are smart. Shocked
  
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Jeff wrote on Dec 28th, 2018 at 8:35am:
If you are a member of a tribe that wants to kill "others" you are illiberal and will run afoul of American law if you put your illiberal ideas into practice.


ROFLMAO.

Under your own philosophy, people are not members of tribes. They are individuals, and they must be treated as such.

This means that the first guy wearing a special, sacred green hat and throwing a bomb that kills 50 gets caught and punished. The same for the second, third, fourth, and millionth. You'll all be dead long before the millionth, though, because the NAP does not recognise war.

They're allowed to wear their sacred green hats. They're allowed to talk about the evil of people who don't wear green hats. They're allowed to say all people who don't wear green hats should die. And when they actually do something about it, which they will, all you're allowed to do is act against the individual who perpetrated the act.
  

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Re: Why Globalization is a Problem
Reply #35 - Dec 30th, 2018 at 8:15am
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 29th, 2018 at 5:49pm:
Under your own philosophy, people are not members of tribes. They are individuals, and they must be treated as such.

Free individuals are free to join or create "tribes" and to treat other tribes as tribes. That doesn't mean members of tribes aren't individuals.

In my theory of individual liberty, it's governments that are prohibited from treating people as tribes.

It's unfortunate that some tribes of individuals think other tribes and/or individuals are inferior or less than human, but most tribes in America (like the Liion's Club for instance) are people who have joined together for some common purpose that is actually good.
  
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Reply #36 - Dec 30th, 2018 at 8:25am
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 29th, 2018 at 5:49pm:
They're allowed to wear their sacred green hats. They're allowed to talk about the evil of people who don't wear green hats. They're allowed to say all people who don't wear green hats should die. And when they actually do something about it, which they will, all you're allowed to do is act against the individual who perpetrated the act.
You're essentially correct but, there are limits set by law regarding inciting people to violence, and sometimes justifications for outlawing entire tribes if those tribes are dedicated to theft and violence. Aiding and abetting Murder, Inc. is also a crime, but the individual accused of aiding and abetting must be tried as an individual.
  
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Re: Why Globalization is a Problem
Reply #37 - Jan 1st, 2019 at 1:57pm
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 11:34pm:
I'll just ask you this, and it's out of genuine interest.

Is currency devaluation aggression?


No, aggression is something you do to others, not yourself

The Opposition wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 11:34pm:
Does any step from that to people picking the better choice in free world trade involve force?


Free trade means it's not controlled by government.  Our government should have no trade laws other than for security.  The rest should be in the hands of the citizens.

Fair trade is a bogus term, like Democratic Socialism.  Nothing government does is ever "fair"
  

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Re: Why Globalization is a Problem
Reply #38 - Jan 1st, 2019 at 3:42pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 1:57pm:
No, aggression is something you do to others, not yourself


Agreed. China does not aggress when it devalues its own currency.

kaz wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 1:57pm:
Free trade means it's not controlled by government.  Our government should have no trade laws other than for security.  The rest should be in the hands of the citizens.


Also agreed.
  

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Re: Why Globalization is a Problem
Reply #39 - Jan 1st, 2019 at 4:17pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 1:57pm:
No, aggression is something you do to others, not yourself


Earth to kaz! Governments devalue their fiat currencies, thus committing aggression against the people they are supposed to be serving... Of course just establishing a fiat currency to replace real money is aggression against the people they are supposed to serve.

The inflations and devaluations are just the aggression that inevitably follows fiat currencies and central banks. Cry
  
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